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John Fetterman says he'll 'never understand' progressives who refuse to support Joe Biden
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Even more than that, if you don't vote the way your state is going, you're wasting your vote. For example, if I'm a Dem in a Red state, I have to vote Red, otherwise, you know, I'm wasting my vote! You may think you're making a "statement", but it's just a failure to accept reality.
That's not how it works. At all.
A few percentage movement to the underdog side in a solid state indicates there's potential for a swing in future elections, which means the underdog party may funnel more money and campaign tour time to said State.
But sure, keep justifying wasting your vote, and not doing the one very easy thing you can do to fight fascism.
Edit - I want to make something clear. By all means, support your independent / 3rd party candidates on the local level, where they actually have a chance. Support their continued attempts to rise. We need to break the 2 party system, eventually.
But don't waste your vote on the battle line. President, senate, congress. We need every last vote in the preferred 2 party candidate. These fucking matter.
Until you get a real 3rd party candidate making governor, senator, congress, there's literally zero chance they can win a major election.
LOL. You people are just so predictably. You know, history shows that the more people vote, the more left things lean. But go on yelling from the top of your plastic soap box that people who don't vote the "right" way are throwing their vote away. You'd do far more good trying to get people to vote.
I'll keep winning no matter what, while you are the true vote waster!
Three issues: There is almost no state so red or blue that it couldn't swing with ~10% shift to the other party.
There are plenty of local elections that will not go the same direction as the state, and they have more effect locally than the president.
Your vote is "wasted" by voting for who's going to win. Voting for the winner, against your judgment, doesn't make your vote more valuable. If anything, it makes it less valuable. The only time your vote really matters (intellectually) is when it's used to swing a vote opposite of expectation.
You do you. I just support more people voting. I'm too old now to continue walking the precincts to try to get the vote out every election. You seem to have a flexible judgment of when a vote counts and when it doesn't. Pretty fucked up way of looking at things. In my humble opinion at least.
I don't think it's fucked up. I think it's realistic. We need to change the way representation works in the US, but it's built and manufactured to support the status quo, so that's the way it works.
Actions outside of voting though, there are plenty available. Expecting voting to be the thing to make things work is probably faulty.
I also expect the republican party to come crashing down soon. My expectation is that the democratic party takes the place of the right wing party and something else takes the left. At that point, things will change. Right now though, status quo is the voting options.
Who gives a fuck about (intellectually)?
Because that's the only way a vote is wasted. It is probably least valuable voting for who is expected to win, but second least used voting for who doesn't stand a chance.
Anything other than a vote for one of the two leading parties in a swing state is a waste
Yeah, pretty much. There are other means to do things in favor of other groups, but for voting it's only between the two (in most elections).