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Beehaw* defederated us? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by can@sh.itjust.works to c/main@sh.itjust.works
 
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[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 2 years ago (3 children)

beehaw are trying to be a perfectly moderated and "high quality" community and they are struggling to keep up with it when federated to other large instances.

I think they might need to change their methods because it is inevitable that some crap is going to be going on in low effort posts and comments, but defederating one very large instance from other very large instances is against the whole idea the movement.

[–] arkcom@kbin.social 36 points 2 years ago

I posted this there, but since you can't see it

"I wonder if the type of community you're trying to build wouldn't be easier with a more traditional forum software like discourse. The infrastructure and moderation tools there have had much longer to mature."

I think they've picked the wrong tool for what they're trying to do.

[–] inventa@lemmy.fmhy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah. In the explanation they say that four people are taking the load of moderation, that can't scale. If the rest of the communities keep growing they may end up isolating themselves for not being able to adapt.

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yea, four people is not enough for even the smallest community.

[–] snakesnakewhale@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Glancing at my one-member Poetry community here:

[–] Darorad@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

C'mon, you what'll you do if you get out of hand, need at least 7 to handle that

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I honestly think it's somewhat irresponsible to have allowed themselves to grow as they did with only four moderators. Other instances have closed registration to maintain healthy growth. That should've happened long before this point.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It was inevitable, though. Hopefully we see instances segregate nicely into tiers of lawlessness rather than just chaos.

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I can see why they need to do it, they apparently only have 4 main mods for the entire server. with the limited mod tools available at the moment that is completely impossible to manage.

I hope they can get past this hurdle.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I've got to learn Rust like a madman so I can help implement mod tools. That's honestly the main bottleneck alongside discoverability.

Elsewhere in the thread right now there's an open troll. On Reddit you get silenced at -100 karma. What happens on Lemmy? Anything?

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As far as I know there are no automod functions currently, so until a human mod manually deletes or bans that user, it will just stay there.

Tools will come, the code for the platform is fully open and the API well documented, so it wont be long before large communities can function fully federated with reasonable moderation.

[–] Aninjanameddaryll@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago

It doesn't help that notifications are pretty nonexistent at times. You have to actively go to an instance via browser, or open jerboa to find out anything is going on. Well, I haven't found any other way to get mod notifications, and I've tried a couple of times.

So, for non admin mods to help out there, they'd have to commit to a higher degree of focus than what most people can offer.

[–] iorale@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can see why they need to do it, they apparently only have 4 main mods for the entire server

Why would they think that would be enough to withstand the waves from reddit? That was just a disaster waiting to happen.

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

happened too fast for them I guess.

once better mod tools or possibly an invite only read-only sort of solution is available they would re-open to other large instances.

[–] iorale@lemmy.fmhy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

I honestly doubt they'll open again, they'll get so used to their safe-space that they won't be able to handle all the shitposting.
And we know mod tools can only do so much, if they couldn't handle it with not so many users, I don't know what are they going to do later if more instances keep appearing and growing.