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[–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We came to the conclusions because we want to avoid giving up. Once you realize that settling for "harm reduction" is also a form of giving up, you learn to think strategically and read people who think strategically about these things for real improvement. Like Lenin.

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Unfortunately harm reduction is all we can do rn, unless you are ready to start a working class revolution, which would require the majority of the working class to be on board with us. And idk about you, but I don't think the American working class is there just yet.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It ain't there because people like you put more energy into performing in electoral theatrics for the enemies of the working class rather than investing that energy in organizing, educating, and agitating your fellow worker.

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Or maybe I'm actually trying to help the working class by taking any win we can get whereas you'd rather watch the world burn than see the working class get any kind of win because it's not big enough for you.

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am begging you to take the energy you're putting into convincing others to vote and redirect it toward learning to handle a rifle.

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Why not both..

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao tell that to the Russians and Ukrainian workers who are dying by the thousands because of your utopianist belief in "taking any win".

Absolute scum. There is zero difference material difference between you and the Democrats under biden. You can keep saying you're a leftist or that you work in the interests of the working class, but you actions - or lack thereof - speaks louder than any phrasemongering you do.

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

I'm apparently more of a leftist than you if you're willing to throw the working class under the bus purely because the wins we are getting are smaller than you'd like.. hell, they're smaller than I'd like too. But it's something, which is better than nothing or worse, outright reversals.

All your online posturing is doing absolutely nothing for the working class. Stop throwing around leftist ideals as if you actually give a damn. I wish we were in a better spot, but we aren't. We are here, this is the hand we've been dealt, we have to make the most of it. The alternative is fascism winning, and you and I being lined up and shot like dogs.

And bringing up the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Oh boy, let me guess. You'd rather we stop supporting Ukraine and if it just happens to fall to Russia, so be it? Please..

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So some rail unions would like to talk to you about 'taking any win we can get' I'd imagine.

[–] xerazal@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Yes and I'm still pissed at Biden about that. That doesn't mean he hasn't done good.

How are you doing that except for voting for Biden? The class conscious workers who aren't succeeding in spreading that are the ones at fault, like me (and you, though I'm not convinced of you being class conscious). I'm trying my best though, in many organizations around many topics, to push my analysis further and improve it and the organizations to reach the goals of socialism.