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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I just want AI/climate change to wipe us out so evolution can go back to the drawing board.

We aren't happy, the owners aren't happy as they always want more, the natural world and ALL THE OTHER BEINGS THAT LIVE HERE have had our leg pushing down on their throats since industrialization.

Lets just call it, and hope the dolphins evolve into something a little less... fucking terrible.

[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Turns out statistically intelligence as a trait in animals also fosters cruelty!

Dolphins are notoriously evil. Corvids are known for their mischief too. Octopi are fine but their lifespans are so short they do not have time to develop cruelty. Many primates are not nice either.

There's a clear correlation between social intelligence and needless cruelty in species.

[–] GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry man, but I can't stop laughing at you calling an entire animal species 'evil'. Not only that, but 'notoriously evil'. Like there's a chapter in the Bible devoted to the tale of a dolphin riding Jesus up his dead arsehole.

[–] Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@GelatinGeorge @Sheeple, a crocodile chokes you before eating you, a big cat, a lion, suffocates you or breaks your neck, before eating, a hyena begins to eat your guts even though you are still alive, you die while he eats you. Is this more cruel? No, he lives in a pack where everyone is hungry and wants to eat right away, they don't have time to kill you first.
Cruelty is a purely human concept.

[–] GelatinGeorge@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Okay, if we're getting serious about it, I'm not sure I agree cruelty scales up alongside intelligence. It's an interesting take, but, as you say, it's an entirely human concept which doesn't really exist outside of our own conceived morality and can't be applied to beings which aren't capable of understanding it.

Put it this way: a cat batting a mouse around isn't considering its actions cruel or even considering its actions in a wider context at all. A human doing the same would be doing both. However, by that logic, animals aren't capable of any other abstract thought such as compassion, empathy and altruism. We are. It might be the case that everything abstract scales up with intelligence which, yes, leads to concepts such as 'cruelty' but also all the other amazing shit humans are capable of.

[–] Catweazle@social.vivaldi.net -1 points 1 year ago

@Sheeple @AllonzeeLV, Human cruelty and stupidity is what differentiates us from animals, apart from the iPhone.
Animals only act in accordance with survival in their corresponding environment. In nature there is no evil, only the motto: Survive as you can or know how, or die.

[–] Roflol@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago