this post was submitted on 09 Sep 2023
1133 points (96.8% liked)
World News
32296 readers
821 users here now
News from around the world!
Rules:
-
Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc
-
No NSFW content
-
No hate speech, bigotry, propaganda, etc
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Ukraine wanted war and did its best to provoke it for America. This is the inevitable consequence.
Not only did they then, they still want to now. Are you not following this war? Several rounds of peace talks have been spurned by Ukraine now. When we say "they" of course we mean the fascist dictatorship that's running the place, not all the people.
Of course? More specifically they wanted to "lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen" and so forth, according to Andriy Biletzky for example. This is the type of guy who got put in power after the Nazi coup.
I'm afraid you've been taken for a fool here. That's not what happened. Independent Crimea invited Russia in to protect its citizens from the Nazi pogroms that had already started directly after the coup. Here you can read the people who live there's polling. Around 15% considered themselves to be Ukrainian. Over 50% wanted a union with Russia compared with 17% with Ukraine.
Later a Pew research poll from 2014 found that 91% of Crimeans considered the referendum free and fair, and 88% felt Kyiv should accept the results.
Indeed. You should be annoyed at the people who lied to you.
The USA overthrew Ukraine's democracy and popularised a Nazi based ultranationalism. Not Russia or anyone else.
This again is just a product of propagandising and manipulation. I understand it's hard to accept the scale of the lies, I really do. But accept it you must if you want to consider yourself to be a rational well informed person.
What would it take for me to convince you? A confession from the head of NATO or something?
Well you're in luck. Stoltenberg confessed a couple of days ago.
During a speech at the EU Parliament’s foreign affairs committee on Thursday, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg clearly and repeatedly acknowledged that Putin made the decision to invade Ukraine because of fears of NATO expansionism.
In reality Stoltenberg is just stating a well established fact: contrary to the official western narrative, Putin invaded Ukraine not because he is evil and hates freedom but because no great power ever allows foreign military threats to amass on its borders — including the United States. That’s why so many western analysts and officials spent years warning that NATO’s actions were going to provoke a war, and yet when war broke out we were slammed with a tsunami of mass media propaganda repeating over and over and over again that this was an “unprovoked invasion”.
What's happening is that the US has gotten its latest war that it's been pushing for for decades. It's always the USA, always has been, except this time, right?
I didn't read the rest but this jumped out just as I was scrolling by. Behold comrades, pure zombie NPC.
"I really am terrified of a discussion about this but I'm typing up a shitload of Nazi apologia anyway and then running away."
Every single country in the region has disputed claims. Every one.
Forced into doing what? Beating the US at everything? Maybe go home yanks and look after your starving children? Or your sick who are dying for lack of basic medicine.
Oh it's you! So you didn't run away like you promised?
This you?
Trying to both sides Ukraine's Nazism. Pathetic. Tell me, if they only got 2% of the vote, why did your rotten murderous scumbag country put Biletsky into power after your illegal Nazi coup? A guy who's sworn that Ukraine's national purpose is to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade … against Semite-led Untermenschen [inferior races]”?
Yes, exactly. Russia share a border. The US is a country on the other side of the planet. It's already lolworthy that you typed this as your first argument. Why is the US trying to provoke these invasions that you pretend to hate so much?
You forgot that only one country is behind these invasions. The USA. It provoked Russia to invade for years. Russia pushed for peace. This is a basic historical reality you're going to have to confront. This is what they're trying to do with Taiwan now.
You'll defend the USA though? A country that's invaded more that any other in your living memory. Says it all about where you stand and your lack of principles.
Yet here we are. You don't even agree with yourself.
That's literally you you're describing, trying to justify America's latest war.
So we're agreed after all? The yanks should go home? If they'd done that in 2014 there'd be no war. Looks like this was all a misunderstanding comrade.
What a coward.