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[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (21 children)

The real takeaway is that whoever says something like that just doesn't want to be able to see that makeup was applied, not that none was used. Most likely not even knowing that themselves because of their ignorance.

[–] Sjotroll@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Why the fuck would a woman have to mask herself with makeup, and men not? Is it acceptable for men to not look "perfect", and for women not? This is complete bullshit. Luckily, my wife doesn't wear any makeup, and has thus much healthier skin than all the other people who wear makeup, and she is beautiful just like that.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

It's nice to look good. The only reason men don't wear makeup is because it's not socially acceptable. However, lifting weights is the most common "beauty adjustment" for men and while it has other benefits than looking better, that's most of the reason most men do it.

Some beauty standards are cultural, but some are also simply biological, something everyone responds to. Clear skin for example, which makeup provides, is one such example of a natural attractiveness symbol, which is why it's so universal across almost all cultures.

How much and in which ways one wants to make themselves look better is something everyone needs to figure out for themselves. But wanting to and acting on it is not bad in itself, so I wouldn't shame anyone for putting on makeup, same as I wouldn't for someone not using it.

[–] Sjotroll@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's bad enough that you are propagating such ideas, instead of normalizing and making it acceptable for women to live without makeup.

[–] Azzu@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Propagating which ideas? That clear skin is an almost universal attractiveness symbol? I don't need to propagate that, it has been proven by countless studies. And didn't I just say that I wouldn't shame anyone for not wearing makeup? Wtf.

[–] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s already broadly acceptable for women to live without makeup.

The issue I see is men who judge women for their choice to use makeup. They are entitled to wear it or not, whichever makes them feel good about themselves.

[–] Sjotroll@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The women who choose to wear makeup are the victims here, not of men who judge them but of the companies and society which impose those beauty standards upon them. That's why I'm saying that we should eliminate such thoughts and make all women feel comfortable even without makeup. I don't have to tell you the benefits of that.

[–] nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Or, ya know, you can stop judging women for doing something they enjoy and mind your own business.

Just because someone wears makeup doesn’t mean they do it because they feel obligated to do so. Often they just enjoy it. Who are you to tell them what they should and shouldn’t enjoy in life?

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