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[–] allocsb@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The incentive structure just doesn't seem designed well. It creates a zero sum game. When downloading you can either:

  1. Not seed to 100%. This damages your ratio

  2. Seed to exactly 100%. In terms of ratio maintenance across all seeders this option makes the most sense

  3. Seed past 100%. You build up your own ratio but deny other downloaders from reaching 100% which hurts their ratio. They must spend longer seeding the torrent to reach 100%, which further decreases the likelihood of subsequent downloaders from reaching 100% when seeding

When you seed past 100%, you essentially have to rely on bad actors to create more upload work for good actors. If there are no bad actors then seeding past 100% is to the detriment of other good actors, who you want to protect because you also rely on them for system health.

[–] EddyNottingham@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Some great private trakers implement a system where users are rewarded for the time they spend seeding rather than the amount of data seeded. This creates an incentive towards keeping torrents available to everyone for a long time, which makes the whole system healthier.

[–] Aetherion@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

which private trackers are engaging this approach. Seems worth to join them.

[–] IDeserveToBeLoved@szmer.info 2 points 1 year ago

polishsource (polish general tracker) requires you to only seed 48 hours within a week from downloading and nothing more

[–] reddithalation@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and some other trackers completely ignore all of that and make it extremely hard to gain ratio. if they all had a bonus points system that would be great though

[–] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] reddithalation@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah its red im talking about, they are kinda essential for getting higher up, but i just dont want to deal with it

[–] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, RED guarantees access, but it's also possible to gain access without it; it just takes longer. Sites like TorrentLeech can serve as valid proof for certain sites during applications, for example. Additionally, AlphaRatio also has some recruitment.

[–] reddithalation@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yeah, but i would like to get in BLU or AB, and they just don't take applications or registrations

[–] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

BLU took applications a month ago though

[–] reddithalation@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

wait what? :| i shoudve checked more

[–] allocsb@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago