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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (19 children)

25% isn't the will of the people lol

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (18 children)

The 6.8% not wanting to be independent is the telling part.

Everyone else either wants to openly call themselves independent on carry on as they are in already being functionally independent.

tl;dr: No one wants to be part of China or not independent.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (17 children)

The vast majority of people want things to stay the same. Both independence and reintegration are very small minorities.

What that tells me is China has a lot of work to do to entice Taiwan. That's it.

[–] RustledTeapot@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It tells me that most people prefer an eternal cold war to escalating to a hot war. If China backed off and made it clear they would not attack, those numbers would change.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

China can't actually do that without Taiwan making a reciprocal agreement to stop engaging in military buildup against China. Peace requires an agreement on both sides. Otherwise, Taiwan could just build up endlessly and then attack China because it left itself vulnerable.

Let us imagine China started giving Puerto Rico billions of dollars in military hardware. What do you think America's response would be?

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

China threatens to invade daily, so Taiwan should stop preparing to be invaded? No. Fuck off. China needs to knock it off and stop threatening to invade. Full stop.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Taiwan should stop preparing for war if it doesn't want to start a war.

Again, imagine Puerto Rico doing the same shit.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Potential rape victims should stop preparing to defend themselves from rapists at the bar? That's the logic you're spouting.

Stop resisting or else China invades, and China makes no promises to not invade anyway...

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Taiwan isn't a potential rape victim, it's a guy standing across the street with a gun.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Just remind me, who keeps pushing here?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Most-read-in-2021/China-military-flybys-near-Taiwan-plunge-after-US-Japan-statement

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-military-aircraft-toward-taiwan-in-largest-show-of-force-2021-10?op=1

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-sends-aircraft-vessels-taiwan-days-after-us-102582314

To my mind, it sure seems like Taiwan is like a home owner with small kids who is constantly telling people that their neighbor with unchained pittbulls is dangerous, and then gets criticized for putting up a fence to keep the unchained pittbulls out of their yard.

China is like a rabid dog here, and you're saying Taiwan shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves? Do fuck off.

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