I've talked to too many covert Nazis who will say, "Oh, I don't believe that Jews secretly control the world, I'm just here to tell you that some people believe it, and here's the evidence they use."

Don't argue someone else's position. If you want to talk about disingenuous, that is disingenuous.

State your own position on the rape of civilians and minors in Ukraine.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm personally enraged and disgusted by Russia's invasion and brutalizing of the Ukrainian people, and I'd be happy if this war ended with the death of Putin and his allies.

But Im not naive enough to believe that's a likely outcome. I think it's far more likely that this war will impoverish Ukraine for the next half-century and create a generation of orphans and refugees that will never know the country that existed before this war.

I think its ethically abhorrent to cheer on its continuation, and even more, I think it's childish and absurd to think continued US involvement in it would lead to anything beneficial for the Ukrainian people.

And I think the people who are blinded by their rage are the least qualified to cast judgement on what should be legitimate leftist geopolitical policy. The same people who are play-acting outrage against leftists being too openly violent are the ones seemingly giddy to see Ukraine being tossed near limitless weapons to add to the already half-million dead, over a conflict almost certainly created by US involvement to begin with and which is unlikely to end at all well for Ukraine. You're advocating for the sacrifice of Ukraine for the chance to destroy Russia, and I find that more heartless and disgusting than anything anyone on Hexbear has said so far.

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who is cheering on its continuation?

Russia can just leave. Walk out. Stop the rape, stop the killing, stop the invasion. Send your soldiers home. Literally nothing would make me happier.

Then we can stop sending weapons, send them more food instead. Help them rebuild, give them homes and schools to replace the ones bombed out by Russia

Can we agree then that Russia needs to end the war by leaving Ukraine?

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sure, let's wave our magic wand and do that, what are you waiting for!?

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well magic is not real, so that's not an option.

You're running out of options. Do you think America should go to war against Russia directly? What action do you support?

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Woah woah, I'M running out of options?! How did you turn that back on me? You are the one who made an impossible diplomatic solution.

I think the US should be steering Ukraine toward diplomacy, including by limiting lethal aid. It's irresponsible for us to continue supplying them with armaments indefinitely. That will necessarily mean making concessions to Russia in some way.

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the US should be steering Ukraine toward diplomacy, including by limiting lethal aid.

This is politician speak for "let Russia bomb Ukrainian cities and kill and rape its civilians until Ukraine is beaten into submission and forced to surrender".

So yes, again, I call you out as a rape apologist, because you support Ukrainian civilians and minors being raped until Russia gets what it wants.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is politician speak for "let Russia bomb Ukrainian cities and kill and rape its civilians until Ukraine is beaten into submission and forced to surrender

This is political speak for, "I don't like what you said but it's not obviously bad, so I'll put words in your mouth to make it sound psychopathic"

Believe whatever you like I guess. I hope you have a minor career setback, learn from it, relocate, and ultimately have a very nice life.

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You've sanitized it into a fake fantasy world. What I described is the reality of war and invasion. Yeah, war is psychopathic. Putin is psychopathic. The rape of civilians and kids is not an accident. That's how an invading imperialist force subdues and demoralizes a local population.

Maybe you can offer more insight as to why you refuse to acknowledge the reality of atrocities of war. Is it too much for your brain to handle? Or it acknowledging the reality of war harmful for your political agenda?

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Huh? Who's denying the reality of the war? It really seems like it's you who has lost sight of what war really means, you should know what the cost is of extending the conflict indefinitely. Russia will not leave Ukraine without either a treaty or a defeat, and one of those options is realistic, and the other will come at the cost of possibly millions of lives. If Ukraine pushes Russia out completely and are unable to secure a treaty, they must be ready to defend the retaken ground for the foreseeable future. You've abandoned diplomacy because you are (rightfully) outraged over Russia's actions, but that outrage doesn't change the calculus of the war.

Honestly, it's pointless arguing with you, because you've detached yourself from reason and nothing but blood will satisfy you. You are no better than the war hawks in DC, sending Ukrainians to the meat grinder in order to keep the gears of war turning and the defense contractors employed.

Everyone who cares about the loss of lives should be looking toward a diplomatic end to the war. A desperate Russia is more likely to initiate direct conflict with NATO and the west. We must end the war now, before it escalates further.

Anyone who says otherwise is dreaming.

[–] FaeDrifter@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

If you had two choices

Be put on your knees with your hands tied behind your back with a gun to your head, watch your wife and your daughter be raped in front of your eyes, screaming in pain and fear, crying out for you for help them, watch them be beaten and brutalized and finally executed while you are helpless
Get some "lethal aid" from your neighborhood and defend your home in a firefight, and have a chance at defending yourself and your family even in a dangerous situation that might still leave you injured or dead

Which one are you choosing? I'm choosing #2, in a heartbeat.

I hate war, I hate violence, I own guns and I've never, ever shot them at a person. But I believe in self defense against the fascists and imperialists more than I believe in giving them what they want. And if they came from my home and family, I would be so happy to receive any assistance I could get.

Russia did this. This is Russia's fault. If this situation is somehow advantageous for the west (and it really isn't), that was Putin's doing.