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The technical merits of Wayland are mostly irrelevant (utcc.utoronto.ca)

submitted 1 year ago by pnutzh4x0r@lemmy.ndlug.org to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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I say that the technical merits are irrelevant because I don't believe that they're a major factor any more in most people moving or not moving to Wayland.

With only a slight amount of generalization, none of these people will be moved by Wayland's technical merits. The energetic people who could be persuaded by technical merits to go through switching desktop environments or in some cases replacing hardware (or accepting limited features) have mostly moved to Wayland already. The people who remain on X are there either because they don't want to rebuild their desktop environment, they don't want to do without features and performance they currently have, or their Linux distribution doesn't think their desktop should switch to Wayland yet.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

most applications still needs to use the xwayland compatibility solution

Not true.

then today kwin_wayland started crashing for no reason.

The reason is that Wayland support in Plasma will only be finalized by 6.0, therefore you're using an experimental feature.

low adoption.

Again factually wrong. Gnome changed defaults years ago. Hardy anyone noticed.

Maybe the Wayland developers should consider it a failed project and work on X11 instead?

Wayland developers are X11 developers. Wayland if the official successor to X11 because its developers agreed that X11 is too broken to be worth it.

[–] gataloca@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The reason is that Wayland support in Plasma will only be finalized by 6.0, therefore you’re using an experimental feature.

Okay so I need to use X11 because you think the Wayland support for KDE Plasma isn't finalized? Well consider the fact that on Linux no support is ever "finalized". Even something that should be mature like pipewire still causes issues from time to time. Or even bash itself. Most likely Wayland will still not work consistently past Plasma 6.0. I don't put much faith into your claim.

I think that you're factually wrong about me being wrong about Wayland support. Most applications I use still run xwayland. Steam for example cannot be run in Wayland, Discord and some other applications only works through Electron which I admittedly don't know a lot about but doing so seems like running it through yet another compatibility layer. Therefore I wouldn't consider an application run through Electron as Wayland compatible either.

Your post paints the picture that Wayland is "just a thing for Gnome", but I'm not going to change to Gnome to run Wayland. Of course nothing ill meant toward Gnome users but I think Gnome is ugly as sin and hard to work with. Maybe my negative perception of Wayland would change if it had better support for KDE. Or if KDE had better Wayland support as this could also be an issue with the kWin rather than Wayland. I have to admit, I've never liked kWin either. I mean as much as I love Plasma, I think the compositor coupled with it is generally dogshit and unstable and it's a travesty KDE pushes kWin so hard down my our throats.

Wayland developers are X11 developers. Wayland if the official successor to X11 because its developers agreed that X11 is too broken to be worth it.

Of course I know that, but if Wayland has such low support and low adoption and "just a thing for gnome" then maybe Wayland isn't so successful after all is what I'm saying. Kind of a bad result to work on a display server that only really works well on Gnome and leaving KDE out in the dark.