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I think we need to start caring about how laws affect the preservation of data, this is ridiculous.
They only issue here is that they stopped following the "one book one rental" rule. You're allowed to "rent" out a digital copy but only if you have a physical version of the book not lent out. They stopped doing that during covid
I believe even "one book one rental" was kind of a gray area. Publishers probably didn't sue at the time as the potential ruling was less certain, and they didn't want a precedent not in their favour.
Libraries have been doing it for ages, this isn't hugely different
Well then we should donate books to the Archive. Then in the interests of efficiency and cutting down on storage and transportation costs. I volunteer my home to store my newly donated books. If I ever need them back, I will request them.
I wonder if you would feel that way if you were one of the artists whose copyrighted media was distributed illegally?
You realize this is about books right? This is about free and easy access to books. Like a digital library. Don't be ridiculous.
And what do you do for a living? I would like to access that free as well....
I'm a dev, and on occasion I like to contribute to FOSS apps. That backfired on you didn't it?
Yeah, you have completely changed my mind here. I am uploading all my work to github and all my pics as we speak for everyone to use as they please. Give me a break. Are you really that childish in person, or is it just the screen and keyboard giving you this false machismo?
I'm not being childish, you're being ridiculous. This is a library, this is a concept that already exists. You're thinking too profit oriented, not everything has to be for profit. This is so that people have access to these things now and for generations to come. Copyright laws compromising the internet archive will mean loss of data over the next few generations. There is already so much lost media from the internet era, and so little is being done about it, aside from the awesome efforts of the internet archive.
This isn't about profits this is about preserving data from our era.
There's more to this argument but it's already been said in this thread and I don't feel like throwing it out, and I doubt you'd hear.me out anyway.
I'm also a dev. I do upload my work other than my day job work since it's my employers copyright not mine. You can check out my GitHub which is the same as my username here.
Regardless though, libraries have existed for decades in the real world - but suddenly in a digital form it's some unimaginable and unforgivable thing? Give me a break.
you are taking this to the extreme without considering what you are saying. it is true that authors should be rewarded for their efforts to produce a piece of writting or art. however, sometimes some authors and publishers choose to hide this content, which may be useful when accessible by the larger community. imagine if certain inventions were not made public by their inventors. the entire race would still be living in the stone age.
This is actually happening with certain things that are patented or prohibitively expensive. I.E. insulin. A LOT of more efficient eco-friendly tech has just not been adopted because it's patented and it wouldn't be cost effective for companies to switch in our profit driven capitalist hellscape.
You might not familiar with how the internet archive does the book lending. The book is actually drm-protected and can only be opened with adobe software, which will expire in just a few days, rendering the file useless. What the internet archive did was simply allowing more people to borrow the same book during pandemic instead of only allowing one person at a time. The lent books still expire after a few days. It's not like the internet archive was suddenly turn into LibGen and distributing unlocked pdf to anyone. Anyone who familiar with LibGen would not bother borrowing from the internet archive digital library. The issue is simply blown up out of proportion by publishers.
The problem is that copyright last way to fucking long and they keep extending it. It should be the same as patents... 15 years I think.
I agree, but the internet archive doesn't have the authority to roll the duration back right? So it was illegal. We all agree the law needs to change, but it is still the law currently.
Sometimes laws need to b broken to bring changes.
Well the average career is 30 years. So you think that if I was to start a photography business that at the end of my 30 year run, half of my career should be publicly available? That means that people could use half of my life's work without owing me any compensation? Copyright protects a lot of small creators, not just Disney and the likes.
Exactly.
but if your work is good enough and better than your competitors it shouldn't be a problem. that's how the free market works right?
the problem here is capitalists want it both ways. they want to be able litigate any competition into oblivion... but hey, it s just business.
Way to sweepingly generalize something. I had to use copyright laws when I was a pro track photographer. I found out that one of the drivers owned a printing shop. He was telling people to purchase one photo from me at my price and then turning around, scanning it in, and re-printing them for the customers at a lower price. Same exact work, so you can't argue about the quality. This fuck was also taking my images and using them in advertising which was also a copyright violation. This isn't about who took the better picture as I was the person behind the camera. It's about protecting work, that in my case involved time and actual sweat each and every weekend I was out in the sun. But it seems the majority of people in this thread think that he was justified in stealing MY work.
Do people buy your photos decades after you take them? No?
So reasonable copyright terms like 10 or 15 years should be totally fine with you. Unless you are just emotional about it and ranting online.
I think you gotta keep it mind that, like reddit, a majority of the people here should be assumed to be teens or so.
Hey, just here to let you know that I 100% agree with you. You're being attacked for no reason.
Thats how it works for patents, medicines, etc...
When someone build a home.... There is not even any time at all... You get paid once and then you can forget your past work.
What percentage of your money would come from 15 year old content you produced? Please reply with the median.
I always make sure all my work are freely avaliable on the internet, even when I have to pay to do so.
Props
Same here. Every project I have ever worked on is available on github. Even my job open sources its tools.
Well for one, piracy often helps artists by getting their media in the hands of more people, hence more exposure
Okay on some level I agree with you, but "paying with exposure" is bullshit. If I like something I'll pay for it after the fact
How about we implement UBI so we can stop pretending this is a good argument? Copyright is a blight on society.
As a writer I would be fine with this.
Let me guess if you have read the thing you are making comments about.
What would you say are my odds?
100000:1?
Fail
Also as if the artist are actually paid much of anything by the publishers. Focus on the actual problem next time
I would!
I would be for it.