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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They’re working on improving range, it just isn’t there yet. Recharge overnight at home if you have a garage and it will likely never be a problem, in the vent you don’t have a place to charge slowly overnight or need a charge up on a trip then super chargers are being added all over the place daily, with government investment helping that as well. The maintenance routine is nothing, you need a new battery after nearly a decade, most people are getting a new car on that schedule, even if you plan to keep a car for decades you’ll have major repairs/replacements on a ice vehicle just as much if not more than electric.

Swapping ice to electric isn’t that difficult, ford even sells a crate electric motor and the tools/instructions to replace a gas engine with it in nearly any vehicle.

I fully agree that the government needs to set guidelines, controls, and a series of deep audits over several decades to ensure this money is being spent appropriately. Too often they just hand out cash to corps with no follow up to make sure it didn’t get spent on bonuses

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you mean the range isn't there yet? How often do you travel 300+ miles between a charge?

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would 2-3 times a year. And when I did it would be probably 3 charges in each direction, maybe 4 considering heat and a/c and several suitcases of weight. Enough that it wouldn't be convenient, but that's why we'll keep an ICE van around for a while yet.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you choose to inconvenience yourself 2-3 times a month because of something you only do 2-3 times a year? I get people who complain about range when they take road trips every month or live in very cold climates or have long commutes, but 2-3 times a year you can rent a car for the money you would save on gas and maintenance.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No idea what you're talking about, but it's our second vehicle. Primary is a Volt, so PHEV with the longest range. Most days we use no gas because I work from home and we only use the van a couple times a week when the kids need to be in different places at the same time.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why not use the Volt for the long trips? It uses gas.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Too small. I mean it holds an impressive amount, but I can't take my wife, a 13 year old, and an 11 year old on a week vacation in it.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Charging needs a huge overhaul and standardization at a minimum. Being able to charge at home helps, but that's 50% or less of people can do it. The big problem is travel, there's way to many different apps, broken chargers, and not actually fast chargers. Especially outside Tesla's super chargers.

[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Pretty much every brand is adopting teslas chargers now and more will likely follow. Since ford/GM/Nissan/etc are already adopting it for NA then it will likely become the standard so all will use the same chargers capable of the same speeds. Also iirc the latest infrastructure act included building a fuckload of true supercharging stations

[–] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My ice vehicle is nigh 2 decades old and besides wear parts my total investment on repairs is under $500. I'm still getting 30 mpg and although I'm not anti electric 15 years of no car payment is hard to beat.

[–] mars296@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

How is that possible? Tires alone will be that cost. Oil changes over 20 years? Even if you only changed oil annually for 20 years for $20 thats $400.

Not that you should ditch your car. I have a 12 year old with similar performance.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People really overstate the maintenance difference. It's basically oil changes, which with synthetic oils are a 2-3 times per year thing depending on driving amounts. In electrics, you have a massive battery that's going to dictate the value of the car at around the ten year mark, an ice car can be 7-10k, but electric is either 0 or pay 15k to have a car maybe worth that much or slightly more.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are your tires and brake pads bald as fuck? Neither of those are cheap and have to be done every few years on ICE vehicles.

You are horribly underestimating battery lifespan. They are warrantied for 10 years. They average about 300k miles before dropping to 80% of their original charge. If you are fine with that, many are fine to go longer.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Tires wear the same on battery cars. Brakes are similar, though they were less due to regenerative braking, they also need to be bigger for the heavier weight.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Significantly less for brakes. That regenerative braking does the vast majority of the work unless you are slamming on the brakes often.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Brakes wear way way less on EVs. You basically never use the brakes. Yes, the EV is heavier, but the regen is strong enough to slow down a car in all but the hardest of braking circumstances.

There are also timing belts, engine seals, coolant flush and fills (there's a debate on whether that is worth it), transmission fluid, oil filters, air filters, spark plugs, and the lead acid battery. None of those are really a thing on EVs except the battery, but it's much smaller and cheaper.