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— Biggs’ lawyer, Norm Pattis
got it! gonna find the nearest crowded movie theatre and yell "FIRE!" at the top of my lungs. thanks, norm!
It’s not the same thing and you know it. Yelling fire is actually illegal.
It actually isn't.
I stand corrected, today I learned, but my point still stands. Speech is not illegal.
Speech alone isn't, this guy did more than speak.
Again, not the argument, please read above
so is a conspiracy, incitement, etc... we are talking about the freedom of speech vs freedom of concequence from that speech. that is what I take issue with. inciting panic in closed confines has immediate consequences - this is clear and therefore typically prohibited.
political speech fomenting real-world violence (or panic) should result in the same level of legal consequence when action is taken based on that speech. imho, you can not separate the speech from the act once the act has taken place.
Yes but my original response is condemning the speech. I fully agree that speech and an action added to it can be criminal. But speech alone cannot be.
I am merely stating above that saying something, no matter what anyone thinks about it, is not the same as yelling “fire” in a crowded theatre.
your point is well taken.
but my illustration is indended to be as outlandish as I believe the lawyer's statement was. once there is an overt act, the speech is no longer separate and protected. his statement appears to try and separate the two. separating speech from the resulting act (and therefore consequences) seems to be the current playbook and it infuriates me.
I hope we are not talking past each others here as I agree with your point, but my comment was to illustrate the silliness of the statement by Biggs's lawyer.