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Fairphone 5 Released (shop.fairphone.com)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by baseless_discourse@mander.xyz to c/technology@beehaw.org
 

With 5 years of OS support and 8 years of security update.

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[–] ImADifferentBird@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

5 years of OS updates is more than you get from any other Android manufacturer. For everyone else in the space, you are lucky to get 3.

[–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  1. It’s 8 apparently
  2. 5 years is as long as most phones that I used last so there would be no point to buy it
[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

8 years of security not OS support.

I don't want a phone like most phones for $800USD. Especially one that's slower, has a worse camera, etc. It needs either more impressive features or to be $200 cheaper. Otherwise why bother? Ultimately this boils down to price and features if they want to actually break into the market. The repair-ability alone isn't enough.

[–] Chewy7324@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair wages for the people making the phone is also a selling point of this phone. It's not just about repairability.

That said I'm also not writing this from a Fairphone, because the price is too high for me.

[–] lol3droflxp@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That may be true but how are they guaranteeing this on a component level? As far as I know, they use off the shelf stuff so they only have assembly wages. And that doesn’t justify the price imo.

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 1 points 1 year ago

You can take a look at their impact reports they release every year: https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Fairphone-Impact-Report-2022.pdf

They keep close track of materials used and wage paid for all their suppliers. They also pay wage bonuses to the workers at some of their suppliers (page 41).

[–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to Fairphone "We plan at least 5 Android OS version updates after Android 13".

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's see. There is still no Android 13 on the FP4.

[–] biscuits@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 points 1 year ago

At least CalyxOS, DivestOS offer Android 13 builds for FP4 (and obviously LineageOS, but it doesn't have OTA updates, afaik)

[–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Samsung offers 4 years of os updates for many phones and watches. And news reported that pixel 8 will have better.

If I recall correctly, Xiaomi recently declared the same for some of their phones.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a clear trajectory where this is heading. From 2027 the EU will enforce replaceable batteries and it looks like some other markets might follow. Software support duration is increasing a lot as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if you'd get most of the Fairphone's benefits on a regular Samsung in a few years.

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Well...aside from the fair supply chain, liveable wages, humane working conditions, environment footprint...

[–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago

Yes, very realistic scenario. TBF, I cannot remember if I ever upgraded a phone due to the battery issuses.

So, for me personally, replaceable battery is not a significant benefit.

[–] ripcord@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

4 years including security updates though right? If that's the flcase then fairphone's doing 8 years.

[–] gelberhut@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago

No really. Samsung offers 4 years of os updates and 5 years of security updates. Samsung releases os updates really fast, so 5 years basically means 5 os versions.

Fairhone declares 5 os versions and 8 years of software support. Fairphone users here mentioned that fairphone is very slow with updates, so it could happen that 5 os versions really will take 8 years. If Fairphone will keep same cadence as Samsung, its 5 os versions can be coverted into 5 years.

But we have a bit of apples vs oranges here.

I personally find samsung's policy good enough for majority of users. I expect that I will upgrade my phone every 3 - 5 years for different unpredictable today reasons anyway.