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The arguments being made here are the same ones that were used for f*ggot, tr*p, nword, g*psy, r*dskins, etc etc etc.
It's the same damn thing every single time, a bunch of reactionaries will piss and whine and piss and whine and piss and whine because they have to make the most minimal amount of effort to adopt a new word in their vocabulary instead of the problem one. They will piss and whine forever until eventually accepting it, like all the others historically.
They join a long long line of pissy whiney losers for making the same tired old arguments we've seen for so many things before.
The problem in this thread was civil untill you(i.e. hexbear) decided to come in and spew your bullshit all over the thread as you always do.
You can save the “we came upon this thread organically” bullshit, I have seen no or almost no hexbear users in this community outside of this thread and now suddenly theres a swarm of you with your garbage ragebaiting and insults all over the place, somehow being upvoted despite most top level comments going against your agenda still being upvoted.
Hexbear is a plague on lemmy, I can’t wait for the day of instance-level blocking, but honestly I expect you will end up defederated from most major instances.
Ahhh yes the problem is that Hexbear came in and agreed it is racist, and then the racists threw a fit.
Lmao give it a rest. Calling you a racist isn't abuse, you just don't like being called on it and now you're pissing and whining about it.
It'll be great, you lot will opt out of seeing us, and opt out of cultural opposition to us. Meanwhile the vast majority will not.
Casual racism != minor issue
Denial of racism != minor issue
Unless you're a racist
You can strip the argument of all nuance and make all the false ~~equivelances~~ dichotomies you want, but you can fuck right off with it while you are at it, go crawl back to your imaginary arguments in your black and white world, you are clearly not here to discuss anything in good faith. I will engage with hexbear when you offer something of substance besides your adolescent maximalism.
There isn't any fucking nuance.
There is us pointing out something is racist.
There are racists claiming it is not.
There are racists claiming that the people calling you racist are being abusive for doing so.
That's it. That's the discussion. And you look pathetic for it. You were on the side of every other word I mentioned earlier too.
I don't understand how this was an issue of "lack of nuance" or "black and white" thinking... Either the term is racist or it is not? ... Is it disparaging a group of people based on racial/cultural/ethnic stereotypes? Yeah. Is it reinforcing and normalizing those stereotypes and upholding an ideal "normal" that is associated with being part of the dominant group? Yeah. Does it seem petty and pedantic? Racism generally does take on a petty and pedantic character... When you go out of your way to deny these things, you are only doing it in service of upholding racist norms. You don't have to continue to defend it, you can acknowledge that it could cause a community harm and move on with your life by avoiding the harmful behavior. Changing the way you speak might seem annoying or like an imposition, but if you think that racism is harmful and want to challenge it by being anti-racist, ultimately people have to change the way they think, speak, and behave... but it is a good change. Embrace it.
On you go with the imaginary argument. I am not with you so I must be against you, right? I do not have and never did have a problem with getting rid of the word.
I will reitterate that the only problem I have is with the stinking garbage heap called hexbear.
It is so interesting because I was engaging with you in a good faith, laying out an argument about why this might be more straightforward then you are letting on. But you called my argument imaginary and then called the instance I am a part of a garbage heap? Who is being uncivil?
Go eat some grass nerd
Along comes another troglodyte, mothers milk dripping off his lips, hurling insults at imaginary strawmanned arguments. But hexbear is totally not a problem instance.
I see no pronouns in names on my end boss.
lol stfu you dweebs whine about our pronouns all day long
Ok, so you're not necessarily a transphobe, but just another of this string of month-old accounts who has barely been active on this site at all beyond throwing a tantrum about hexbear users "coming in and ruining everything".
Well I'd vager it is because we come to lemmy to escape reddit and all we see is hexbear users coming in and ruining everything. I mean as I stated earlier, even blahaj considering defedding from hexbear should be telling of the state of affairs. If that community has a problem with you, and that does not raise any flags, idk what does.
I don't want to go all "well akshually" here, but actually we defedded from blahaj because the community is largely made up of r/196 users who post transphobic chaser shit without getting banned by the mods there. Yes, of course these people also have a problem with us because they're rabid anti-communists, but we defedded form them because they're a bunch of sex pests fetishizing and objectifying trans people and thinking it's ok to make demands about which genitals we're allowed to have to please their fetishes. Why should we stay federated with an instance like that?
And again, I have nothing against the core values of hexbear, I sympathise with most of them, including communism, but every time I see hexbear out in the wild it is a screaming match blown out of proportion. If anyone ever appears to be having a tantrum, it seems to be hexbear users 9/10 times for not getting their way the moment they opened their mouth.
BTW you're the one typing frothing-at-the-mouth replies to everybody commenting on your post. Maybe you're not one to talk about screaming matches and tantrums.
They're literally right there in both of our instances
when a conservative gets unreasonably triggered they are 5-15x more likely to start projecting
this is very evocative dr ratso, would you like to talk some more about your relationship with your mother?
weird of you to think of breastmilk, anything you want to tell us
Seethe
Your comment does not belong in this subreddit. It does not add to the topic, if you think comments don't fit in the community do report them and move on.
Edit You also are quite a new user to the lemmy-verse from this month (compared to multiple year old users posting to you), which mostly is reducing the quality on communities on one hand and also got quite a few comments deleted. I urge you to read up on nettiquette and change your attitude if you want to be a positive contributing influence to this community.
Right, because hexbear coming in shitting on everyone and calling an entire community racist for unwittingly using a racist term in a context fairly removed from the original meaning is so helpful to discourse. Im only returning blows in kind. And I am so terribly sorry ye ole lemmy wizard, for speaking out of turn. Ill wait so I can speak with the rest of us, younglings.
"It's not common knowledge that this term has racist origins, but it does and we should stop using it" == "Y'all racist"
yes thanks
Yes, clearly, that is the cool an levelheaded contributions hexbear brought to this thread. Absolutely no gaslighting here.
idk man I'm just reading OP and the only thing called "racist" is the word itself
Nobody has called the entire community racist, the callouts have been exclusively to people like you defending a term that obviously plays with one of the most common racial stereotypes about East Asians. Taking a racist term out of context doesn't make the term not racist, it only means that a still racist term has gained even wider use.
Again I have personally not once defended the use of the term, I have only ever attacked hexbear code of conduct. I even stated that I am for not using it in a since (mod) removed comment. I thought the term was dumb even before I (like most of this comm) found out about the origins through this thread. The only context in which I have defended it is in this convo and only in the aspect of the response it has gotten from hexbear, which if you don't feel is entirely disproportionate, we have nothing more to talk about.
You're straight-up lying, kiddo.
This is an example of the American cultural imperialism someone else was whining about above. In the UK a f@ggot is a type of food. There are adverts on the telly for it. A fag is a cigarette. Gypsy is not necessarily perjorative (it appears as a category on the census). Not sure what tr*p is, but if it's tramp, that's a homeless person. Also, a fanny is ladybits.
This is generally a censor of the word "trap". While it obviously has several non-slur meanings, it is also used as an extremely visceral anti-trans (and in particular, anti-transfem) slur :/
The implication is that transfem people are "secretly gay men trapping straight men into being attracted to them". It is associated with simultaneous sexualisation, homophobia, and transphobia >.<. If someone called me that IRL I would be seriously worried for my safety, as that's often the kind of thing people would say before either raping or killing or injuring a transfem person for """threatening""" their fragile sexuality, then using the trans panic defense.
The term got it's start on 4chan, and people used it for femboy characters in anime (who are often poorly translated and may actually be trans in a lot of cases), but the kind of dehumanisation aspect of it means it very very quickly became a viscious anti-trans slur :/
Ah, thanks.
Is f____t not used as a ~~pejorative~~slur for gay men in the UK?
I've not heard it used so, but I imagine younger folk might use it that way, since we adopt US culture so much.
lmao
Not sure I understand the joke?