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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm trying to understand the downvotes you have. Like yeah, what you're saying is extreme. But murdering goddamn infants is pretty fucking extreme. If there was ever a time to wish someone pain, it would be now.

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Some people aren't mental and don't wish to inflict pointless harm on others.

If its wrong to harm people, its wrong to harm those who harm people too.

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Youre gonna get downvoted for not validating the 2 minutes' hate. There are an awful lot of people who are very excited to find someone they can get away with doing violence against.

[–] elephantsatdawn@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's almost like you're actually in the wrong and what they're doing is normal. It's almost like the problem is you

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This might surprise you mate but it's not normal to fantasise about inflicting bodily harm to criminals.

Might want to talk to someone about that.

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago

Public hangings used to be the social event of the week, on what basis exactly are you determining normality?

[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's like saying we should be tolerant of republican's fascism. Some things shouldn't be allowed even if you sorta need to act like them towards them to get it to stop.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

No its nothing like that. Shes been given 14 life sentences, how is that tolerating anything??

[–] Neon_Dystopia@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's not how this works yo. The monster is in prison, she will stay in prison till she's dead. No more need for extrajudicial punishments. No need to torture or to murder her.

There is nothing gained from hurting her further except a bunch of unwashed brainlets get hateboners; further it opens a whole can of worms of extrajudicial, punitive violence.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I swear you guys heard someone say that once and now think you can use it to justify any unrelated bullshit.

[–] Neon_Dystopia@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Who is "you guys" and what the fuck are you on about?

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Not at all lol

Inflicting pain on someone is not stopping them from harming others.

Making premeditated violence illegal but then punishing it with violence is retarded.

[–] elephantsatdawn@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people aren’t mental and don’t wish to inflict pointless harm on others.

Those are the ones upvoting him.

If its wrong to harm people, its wrong to harm those who harm people too.

Alright, let me explain it to you as if you were a five year old:

No one thinks murdering babies is wrong because harming anyone is wrong.

They think it's wrong because they're babies.

It's a specific case.

If harming others was always wrong, it would be impossible for her to be arrested and imprisoned.

Actually, the nurse wasn't even using violence to kill the babies so trying to use nonviolence to shame others for wanting that vile bitch of a murderer beaten in prison doesn't track either.

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Justify it however you want, these are not the sort of things we should be decided based on emotion.

"This crime really triggered me so we should influct great harm on the perpetrator" is pretty fucked up man.

The fact that you think that's the reason why I and many others (I am very clearly not alone in my thinking) believe what we do tells us all we need to know about you. You never even asked me the reason why I believe the way I do, you just constructed a stereotype of me and people like me you built in your head based off dumb things others told you and it's completely warping your judgement. Learn some empathy.

[–] teuast@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Have you heard of the paradox of tolerance

This isn't to say that I'm arguing for torture as retribution, but this almost comes across as you arguing against actions having consequences, which is a wholly different argument, and I understand you probably don't actually support that, but I'm just going off what's written. I'm actually kind of with you in terms of the torture thing, like I'd probably just put her in solitary and leave it at that. But yeah, as with tolerance, a peaceful society has to have ways to deal with violence, lest it become a violent society.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

This has nothing to do with the paradox of tolerance. Not even slightly for one she's been arrested, charged and given 14 life sentences and is going to spend her entire life in prison. So she has faces consequences for her actions.

and for two she is not a threat to tolerant society, shes a serial killer.

I dont think you actually know that the paradox of tolerance means.

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Yes of course I have, how else could I have said "this isn't that" without knowing about it lol?

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, I'm generally a well composed guy, but it's hard to keep cool in this instance

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

There usually isn't much that makes me literally speechless or at a loss for words, but after I read more specific details further down in this thread it actually happened to me. I also can't remember the last time my eyes actually widened in horror at reading something.

[–] datszechuansauce@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago

Simps sniffing after that young hot nurse pussy is all it is. They don't care she killed babies. They care about that hot pic on the front page.