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Is defederation from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works still necessary? (beehaw.org)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by theangriestbird@beehaw.org to c/support@beehaw.org

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This is more of a question for the admins, but this can certainly be a more open discussion.

Per this thread, beehaw defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works two months ago, around the time that the reddit exodus was happening. Lemmy was blowing up, those instances had an open sign-up policy, and this meant that admins of other instances (like Beehaw) that wanted to heavily moderate their communities became quickly overwhelmed with the number of users from these two instances. Beehaw defederated to make the workload more realistic.

Two months on, I'm wondering if this defederation is still necessary. It seems to me that Lemmy overall has slowed down a lot, and maybe the flow of users from these outside servers would not be as overwhelming as it was before? I respect the decision of the admins one way or the other - I know that the lack of moderation tools was another factor in this decision. I'm just curious if this is something that has been considered recently?

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[–] Ignacio@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I spend most of the time on Kbin, sometimes lurking and sometimes commenting on different posts.

I can't talk about sh.itjust.works because I rarely see content from that instance. Sometimes a meme, or sometimes a techie news post. But very rarely, as I said. If you stay federated or defederated with sh.itjust.works, I don't really care, because I don't really know that place or the content it's published there.

However, I strongly prefer to stay defederated from lemmy.world. I really can't understand why an instance with the .world domain is so US-centric. I don't give a shit about Iowa, Idaho, Florida, Montana, Texas, California or whatever posts from related communites I see while browsing all on Kbin. Besides, being myself anti-nazi, anti-fascist and anti-tankie, I support when other instances defederate from far-right and far-left instances, but I don't understand why they defederate instantly from certain instances and take some time to defederate from other certain instances. It's sad, but lemmy.world is the most similar thing to reddit right now, and it seems that they want to monopolize everything, because there are communities on other instances, as well as on Kbin, that have few activity, if any, in favour of .world ones.

And then there is a cryptic reply to a comment I made on another post.

[–] Antik@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Most of the admins are Europeans and the server is also hosted in Europe (currently).

We defederated with both the extreme left and right instances. Which instance are you talking about?

Everyone is free to start a community on our instance as long as they have active moderators and follow the rules

[–] Ignacio@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the admins are Europeans and the server is also hosted in Europe (currently).

Yes, and that's really confusing. I mean, I respect the fact about posting US news where they belong and news from other countries where they belong too (I don't like it, but I respect it). But while I browse all on Kbin, 90% of the content is about US, and I'm tired of blocking US communities every time they appear on my feed.

We defederated with both the extreme left and right instances. Which instance are you talking about?

Back in the day, some weeks or last month, or whenever it happened, I read some public disagreements about why lemmy.world didn't defederate exploding-heads when they defederated lemmygrad. Why so much time with the heads and no time with the grads.

Everyone is free to start a community on our instance as long as they have active moderators and follow the rules

Obviously. But again, while browsing all on Kbin, the only thing I see is content from lemmy.world, while content from similar communities on other instances, although being there, it's either invisible or at the very bottom. To the point I had to block that instance, so my feed will be enriched by other instances.

[–] Antik@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We are not defederated from lemmygrad. The only 'big' instances that are defederated are exploding-heads and hexbear. And as I pointed out here it did NOT take us long to defederate with them.

[–] DaBai@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Preemptively defederates from hexbear as a "last-resort"

Takes days to defederate from exploding-heads

Takes days to defederate from rammy.site despite knowing its been taken over by exploding-heads

Wonders why people think you are a Nazi instance

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[–] Antik@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Preemptively defederates from hexbear as a “last-resort”

We had our reasons to preemptively defederate and that has proven to be the correct action - just check what giving them a chance did for https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/

Takes days to defederate from exploding-heads

Yes, days is a long time now? We were still (one of) the first to defederate with them.

Takes days to defederate from rammy.site despite knowing its been taken over by exploding-heads

The instance you are on (lemmy.one) never was defederated with rammy.site. When rammy.site was overtaken by Exploding Heads members we tried to contact the site admin first. When he didn't reply we defederated. That took about a day.

Wonders why people think you are a Nazi instance

Yes. But I know you're not here to argue in good faith. Your post history and this statement screams "Hexbear user on his alt".

[–] Lycan@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What happened with blahaj.zone's Lemmy instance? I'm on their Mastodon instance, not Lemmy, so I was unaware of anything happening with it.

[–] liv@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Someone from there posted this summary: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/2017079.

Sorry not sure how to reformat.

[–] BarryZuckerkorn@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really can’t understand why an instance with the .world domain is so US-centric.

Honestly, I think it has a lot to do with a lot of the other popular lemmy instances being specifically oriented around a specific non-US country, so that those of us who are in the US felt deterred from joining the ones that explicitly included ".de" or ".ca" or ".ch" in their domain, with German/Canadian/Swiss stuff in the sidebar.

[–] Ignacio@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

That's why I didn't joint them either. I mean, I could join lemmy.ca because, even being located and focused in Canada, English is used. But feddit.de or feddit.ch, well, I can't talk neither German nor Czech, so you're also right about that.