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[–] dartos@reddthat.com -2 points 1 year ago (47 children)

I may be wrong, but I don’t see socialism and capitalism as hard opposites.

I see capitalism and communism are like hard opposites with socialism somewhere in between.

[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Okay, well, I've studied everything from all sorts of marxist tendencies to syndicalism to anarchism, to classical economics, and I think you're either using terms wrong or have the wrong idea. Can you define your terms or rephrase what you mean?

I apologize if this is too blunt.

[–] dartos@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So I understand total capitalism as an entirely market driven economy with no government influence

And total communism as an entirely planned and government prescribed economy

And socialism as some of the economy is market driven and some government planned.

[–] AkariMizunashi@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

To add on to what others have said, the concept that capitalism is just letting the economy do its thing with no government influence is really mystifying and innaccurate. Capitalism requires immense support from a state (some sort of apparatus with a monopoly on force) in order to guarantee and enforce property rights, contracts, the collection of debts, ensure stable currencies that are widely accepted as payment etc. Just because the state is overwhelmingly working on the side of people with capital to preserve and accumulate that capital, doesn't mean it isn't working.

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