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I'm not really sold on the specie-ist argument for veganism.
I care much more about the well being of humans than insects.
I don't want to re-hash larger arguments, and know there's relatively little likelihood of either of us changing our minds here, so I don't really want to pursue the larger vegan/not-vegan argument here!
I'm willing to listen to environmentalist arguments for veganism. Likewise, to people who (like monks in certain religious traditions) embrace veganism or vegetarianism as a kind of spiritual practice.
What I don't have time for is the concept that human beings need to stop seeing themselves as superior to other animals. It reeks of muddled thinkers like Count Leo Tolstoy. More importantly, it goes against the basic principal of Juche, that humanity, as "the most precious thing in the material universe," "is the master of all things and decides all things." I am all for humane treatment of animals, but the needs of humanity come first.
Actually, there is, because under the Juche philosophy the characteristic human traits -- independence, creativity, consciousness -- are held to be social in origin, not individual. There is no ubermensch in Juche, because there is no individual who possesses his or her "superior" characteristics innately and individually.
Nobody really ever changes their minds in this sort of debate, but -- don't you think it's a little suspect that you arrived back, by a sort of loop, at the Cleanest Race position on the DPRK and its official ideology?