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A video by The Linux Cast on the debian website and how it needs to be more user friendly. (tilvids.com)

submitted 1 year ago by BearPear@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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The video is a critique of the Debian Linux distribution's website and its user experience, primarily focusing on the difficulties in finding and downloading the appropriate ISO images. The presenter praises Debian's stability and community but criticizes the website's design, stating that it's not user-friendly, especially for new Linux users. The video highlights how the website layout, multiple clicks, and confusing file tree structure can make it challenging to locate the desired ISO images, particularly for the live installer versions. The presenter suggests that while improvements have been made, the ISO download process can still be convoluted and feels like the distribution is not encouraging new users. The overall message conveys a desire for Debian to make its ISOs more easily accessible and user-friendly.

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[–] guillermohs9@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but there is a point. I'm not a Linux newbie, but sometimes you can get lost looking for the iso file that includes firmware, or non-free, or certain desktop. On most distro's pages, the big fat button leads to a direct link to the iso file and another to a torrent at most.

[–] quat@lemmy.sdfeu.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While I do agree that the website is bad, nowadays the main iso includes non-free firmware, and it's the same installer for all DEs.

[–] guillermohs9@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that's nice, I think last Debian I downloaded what buster or something so I might have been talking about old experiences. They're still making the user navigate through an FTP-like file structure to find the current amd64 iso?

[–] quat@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an experiment you could go to debian.org and see if you find the download link.

[–] biddy@feddit.nl 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I gave it another shot having not attempted for a few years, I was looking for the most complete, stable, non-free, offline, x64 image for a USB flash drive. I failed very quickly because I didn't know whether I needed a CD or DVD image. A few minutes of clicking through random and irrelevant "FAQs" and I finally found an answer I understood but only through experience, CD images are smaller than 700mb and my flash drive is large, so I wanted a DVD image. Back to the top, and I found the image I needed.

So it took a few minutes, and I've done this several times before. A new user would have absolutely no clue.

[–] quat@lemmy.sdfeu.org 1 points 1 year ago

You're describing that you want something that isn't the standard installer, with the ability to do offline installs. A new user with no clue about anything would probably just use the top link and run the graphic installer, ending up with the same system as if he/she had downloaded the dvd version. Is your criticism that internet is a requirement for the standard installer?