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[–] Overzeetop@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is logically efficient from a technical standpoint, but from a practical perspective is a terrible idea. You're only getting 2-2.5x th energy storage out of the process, but in return you're effectively requiring that the entire fluid system be isolated from the environment. Toxicity aside, you can't do anything with the fluid outside of the system. It's probably not something you want local fauna drinking, nor do you want even the slightest chance of this leaking into the local aquifers. I presume that, if it's not fully isolated, the fluid mix balance would have to be adjusted to offset evaporation of the water. And if the plant turns out not to be as great at you hoped hat do you do with the fluid?

Some numbers - a quick google says "According to Ofgem, the typical household in Britain uses approximately 2,900 kWh of electricity annually." I'm going to round that up to 8kWh/day. For a small village of, say, 1250 homes and a three day storage capacity, that's 30MWh. 1MJ (MWs) is 1000kg (one metric ton) stored at 100m - the upper end of this project. Since 3600 seconds per hour x 1MWs = 1 MWh, and we want 30, that's 1MT x 3600 x 30 = 108,000 Metric Tons of this high density liquid needed for a small project to put a 3 power day buffer in place for a town of 1250 houses. WTF are you going to do with 108,000 metric tons of high-density fluid if you decide is isn't working? Your reservoir would only need to be 25% bigger (wider, longer, and deeper/taller) to just do the whole thing with water and you wouldn't need to figure out how to get 3500 full size tanker trucks to transport it all away somewhere for a different project for for de-slurry processing.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

If the fluid is what I'm thinking it is (calcium carbonate in water with a stabilizer), fluid loss would just be water loss and they wouldn't go to great pains to isolate it. They'd just add more water, since most of the weight they're pumping is the calcium carbonate.

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

to put a 3 power day buffer in place

Hydro is used to smooth out peaks and troughs in the power supply. You're not even close to getting a useful estimate.

The fifth largest hydroelectric power station in the UK is 160MW

100MW by 2030 is a pretty big deal.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, we actually could use that damn water, for things, it's a perfect reservoir for drinking and/or irrigation.

Who in their right mind looked at this and said "You know, mercury has a higher specific gravity than water, it might even work better!!"

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's 2.5x heavier than water so can produce 2.5x the power for any given volume.

We have a lot of hydroelectric. But we don't have the mountains to build much of it.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Again, we can use the water for things, and water is something we can get more of one way or another.

A 2.5x multiplier doesn't seem as worth it to me, especially when we can do stuff like add hydrothermal storage to that number easily, among other things.

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can get plenty of water. We can't get plenty of suitable sites.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

If the water leaks we can shrug our shoulders.

If the calcium carbonate slurry leaks we will feel more awkward.