In 1897, over 21,000 Natives, representing the overwhelming majority of adult Hawaiians, signed anti-annexation petitions in one of the first examples of protest against the overthrow of Queen Liliʻuokalaniʻs government.[143] Nearly 100 years later, in 1993, 17,000 Hawaiians marched to demand access and control over Hawaiian trust lands and as part of the modern Hawaiian sovereignty movement.[144] Hawaiian trust land ownership and use is still widely contested as a consequence of annexation. According to scholar Winona LaDuke, as of 2015, 95% of Hawaiʻiʻs land was owned or controlled by just 82 landholders, including over 50% by federal and state governments, as well as the established sugar and pineapple companies.[144] The Thirty Meter Telescope is planned to be built on Hawaiian trust land, but has faced resistance as the project interferes with Kanaka indigeneity.[clarify][145]

If you think a referendum from 1959 fairly represents the interests of the native population then what else is there to say.

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Person is in bad faith and worse, smug. Hhit em with a PPB.

[–] adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you think a referendum from 1959 fairly represents the interests of the native population then what else is there to say.

that it does, and you have failed to prove otherwise despite quoting a block f text you clearly don’t understand— OR are intentionally misrepresenting, hoping everyone else here is too stupid to realize you’re trying to pull a fast one on them.

Fortunately, I’m not the idiot you think I am.

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A referendum to either become a state or remain a territory is not relevant to the question of the occupation.

only because you’ve moved the goalposts when you couldn’t win that argument with facts.

People were never given a choice of independence

the people always ave that choice. they can protest, revolt, etc. Did the Bolsheviks just ask the Tsars to pretty please step aside?

Seems that you’re intentionally arguing in bad faith here.

I’m not the one ignoring facts, employing logical fallacies and hurling personal insults when I don’t “win” online arguments.

Clearly you’re a much bigger idiot than I thought you were.

can’t argue with facts, so playskool insults it is. classy. no wonder I see he molding full of you getting posts and comments removed, and you’re totally banned form lemmy.world.

also explains this post https://lemmy.ml/post/2756876

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

only because you’ve moved the goalposts when you couldn’t win that argument with facts.

I didn't move any goal posts. I said Hawaii is an occupied territory, and you came back with BuT ThEy HaD a RefErEnduM. Forgetting to mention that the referendum wasn't actually about independence and that the people of Hawaii were never given a choice of independence by their occupiers.

There is no false dichotomy here. It's hilarious seeing your comment history where you communicate through memes like a 5 year old child.

the people always ave that choice. they can protest, revolt, etc. Did the Bolsheviks just ask the Tsars to pretty please step aside?

People in Hawaii are revolting against your regime as we speak.

The facts are that you made false claim and now you don't even have the decency to admit it. No point having further discussion with a liar.

also explains this post https://lemmy.ml/post/2756876

love living rent free in your collective heads

[–] adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I didn’t move any goal posts.

“nuh-uh!” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.

There is no false dichotomy here.

see my previous reply

People in Hawaii are revolting against your regime as we speak.

a handful of protesters is hardly a “revolt”, but you’re adorable for thinking “big”.

The facts are

the last thing you have is a grasp on the facts. your comment an post history are proof enough of that, with a long history of bans, deleted comments, and verbally being drummed you of most places you visit or being a toxic mess.

love living rent free in your collective heads

how sad for you

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (38 children)

“nuh-uh!” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.

Amazing that @whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml, who is also a fan of those weird debate fallacy images, posted this in another thread today:

“nuh-uh” isn’t a convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.

Also this, also from today:

“I know you are but what am I?” is not a convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.

You're the same person, aren't you?

Edit: Lol you even responded to an argument in this thread while still logged in to @whiskeypickle@lemmy.ml, then deleted it because someone noticed.

[–] glasschewer@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

lol i was just about to mention this

http://lemmy.ml/u/bauhaus

is clearly part of the same group of alt accounts.

@yogthos@lemmygrad.ml @yogthos@lemmy.ml Check this out lmao. I don't think all the traffic going to that threat of haters is organic man

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

@Rumblestiltskin@lemmy.ml @AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml

Sorry to bother you two, but it's pretty clear we have someone running maybe six different alts, and it looks like they're boosting each one with votes from the others. Is that allowed here? See the comment I'm replying to and the comment it replied to for evidence.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

absolutely incredible stuff

[–] glasschewer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I wish them a swift recovery from whatever this is exactly!!!

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“nuh-uh!” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.

Do feel free to articulate which goal posts you're claiming that I moved. Be specific.

see my previous reply

I did, it's nonsensical.

a handful of protesters is hardly a “revolt”, but you’re adorable for thinking “big”.

Way to dismiss majority of the native population. I guess that's what you'd expect from racist occupiers.

the last thing you have is a grasp on the facts. your comment an post history are proof enough of that, with a long history of bans, deleted comments, and verbally being drummed you of most places you visit or being a toxic mess.

Wow interesting narrative you made up about me there. Maybe send me of whatever drugs you're having while hallucinating these things, cause that sounds like some good shit.

how sad for you

Nah, it's free entertainment for me kddio.

[–] adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do feel free to articulate which goal posts you’re claiming that I moved. Be specific.

I already have, in detail. sealioning as you last line of attack? boring…

I did, it’s nonsensical.

I’m not responsible for your lack of comprehension.

Way to dismiss majority of the native population.

Wow interesting narrative you made up about me there

anyone is free to look at your comment history or the modlogs. no drugs necessary. how like you to hurl insult - yet again - when confronted with facts you can’t refute.

Nah, it’s free entertainment for me kddio.

not very convincing….

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You have not done any such thing, but I guess lying is all you've been doing here, so that's par for the course.

[–] adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

You have not done any such thing

“nuh-uh!” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.

but I guess lying is all you’ve been doing here

“I know you are but what am I?” isn’t a very convincing argument. most people learn this when they’re 5.

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