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OPINION: NATO sucks, but cheering for Russia is unsolidaric (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by WageSlave@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml

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Hey, comrades. I am new to lemmygrad and find it odd that there are so many marxist-leninist defending a war of agression started by an oligarch, possibly the richest man in the world. I get that you want to say that NATO is a source of evil on the global stage, but in this particular case you are defending Putin, a warlord, who has invaded many of his neighbouring countries and has stated plans to continue his campaign for megalomanial reasons.

No war but class war. Enabling an autocrat fascist oligarch does not do anything to counter the bad stuff done by NATO and the community should take a firm stand against the use of war for the sake of satisfying the dreams of a tyrant.

This is not a troll post or anything to that extent. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I think it needed to be said.

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[–] KommandoGZD@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Enabling an autocrat fascist oligarch does not do anything to counter the bad stuff done by NATO and the community should take a firm stand against the use of war for the sake of satisfying the dreams of a tyrant.

I'm sorry, but this reeks of major main character syndrom. What some randoms post on a niche ML community on the interwebs has literally no material impact on this conflict. Whether we condemn, cheer on, ridicule or whatever either side of this conflict is entirely immaterial. A protracted, armed conflict is neither started, nor enabled, nor stopped because of shitposters anywhere. 99% of people on this board and a least 95% of people of the internet are totally divorced from this war and at the most are cheerleaders on the sidelines. This isn't 'enabling', it's inconsequential.

No war but class war

I agree and in actual praxis this should be any communist organizations maxim. lemmygrad isn't one though.

[–] WageSlave@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A protracted, armed conflict is neither started, nor enabled, nor stopped because of shitposters anywhere. 99% of people on this board and a least 95% of people of the internet are totally divorced from this war and at the most are cheerleaders on the sidelines.

The problem is not the importance of posts on the internet, it is the sentiment they represent. This sentiment can and should be of importance if you are serious about socialism and actually making changes to society. As an example, the leftist parties in my country did have a problem with how to react to the war with many taking similar points that I have seen here. That is consequential to the support of their movements and also if they are to actually be successful consequential at large.

[–] KommandoGZD@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, but lemmygrad is not a party, it is not an organization and what individuals cheer for online is immaterial to the collective positions of actually existing revolutionary parties. It isn't support either, because it isn't material.

As an example, the leftist parties in my country did have a problem with how to react to the war with many taking similar points that I have seen here.

Of course they've had problems and rightfully so, but again, we are not parties and what we can say and how we behave is not comparable to a revolutionary collective. We can post Stalin and Assad memes all day, actual organizations obviously can't. Us doing so does not influence actual praxis. They're two entirely different spaces that function differently and so can we as individuals in those spaces.