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Hey, comrades. I am new to lemmygrad and find it odd that there are so many marxist-leninist defending a war of agression started by an oligarch, possibly the richest man in the world. I get that you want to say that NATO is a source of evil on the global stage, but in this particular case you are defending Putin, a warlord, who has invaded many of his neighbouring countries and has stated plans to continue his campaign for megalomanial reasons.

No war but class war. Enabling an autocrat fascist oligarch does not do anything to counter the bad stuff done by NATO and the community should take a firm stand against the use of war for the sake of satisfying the dreams of a tyrant.

This is not a troll post or anything to that extent. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but I think it needed to be said.

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[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you really think that the millions of displaced and I do not dare guess how many killed were all nazis?

When one nazi sits at a table with nine others, and they don't either get up or stomp that motherfucker out, then the table has ten nazis. Simple as.

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I'm no Ukraine/NATO supporter by any means, but I wouldn't completely fault random civilians for the rise of Nazis in Ukraine. Even actual Nazi Germany had a bunch of non-nazi people in it (who either fled or were promptly imprisoned/killed, but you get my point). To use your analogy, it's more like the Nazis are in the city, own the government and are a big part of the military and are pervasive in society, rather than physically at every table and not every person will have the opportunity or capability to stomp them out. I sure wouldn't enjoy getting killed by enemies of my government over here, even though I would fully support it ending. Of course, I don't think we should hold this same leniency towards the actual military personnel.

[–] WageSlave@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a characteristic property of nazism is that it is intolerant and does not allow for opposition, hence the silent opposition has to be careful and smart in how to actually voice or act their opposition given that the nazists are empowered. That does not mean they are supporting them or in any way guilty themselves. They are victims like everyone else. By extension of this logic, everyone living in a capitalist society too impoverished to fight it are capitalists themselves, which is blatantly false.

[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I said Nazi, not capitalist. That thing you tried to do in your last line is blatantly fallacious, because we're all born and forced into capitalism, and have been for decades. No one, not a single motherfucker, is born or forced into Naziism. Amerika brought it to them, they chose it, they don't fight it, ergo I hold the same contempt for them that I hold for the Amerikans who allow klansmen to walk around unmolested.

[–] WageSlave@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago

If any hill to die on was worthy, I think I will fight till the death that the Ukranian proletariat are not all nazis choosing to be nazis.