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[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Can you please explain how the Communist Party of China isn’t communist?

Also, are you suggesting the US isn’t “authoritarian” or do you just mean countries you don’t like?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Authoritarian regimes like to call themselves different names with better connotations than they deserve.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anybody who screeches about authoritarian regimes exposes themselves as being intellectually bankrupt, and can be safely ignored. A great explanation of why this is a nonsensical narrative peddled by western pseudoleft https://cym.ie/2020/04/01/left-anti-communism-the-unkindest-cut-by-michael-parenti/

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't you call America an authoritarian regime on an hourly basis?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

That's right, I often highlight how the language western propagandists use to describe countries like China sounds when applied to western countries.

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you please explain which of their policies and actions on a national and international scale constitute communism?

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re welcome to read about socialism with Chinese characteristics if you’re interested.

[–] explodicle@local106.com 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The same way the DPRK isn't democratic.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How do you define “democratic?” Would North Korea be democratic if there were two candidates instead, where they fought in a pretend culture war, but one of them really just deferred to the other if they won? North Korea has different parties too, you know.

[–] just_browsing@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And yet somehow the head office with total power is hereditary just like a monarchy.

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Which it is, thank you for proving that the CPC is a communist party.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because anyone can call anything what they want. Is the Patriot Act very patriotic? Call something what it isn't and mock people who call it out. It's a form of double talk.

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me be blunt then. Has the People’s Republic of China achieved the final stage of communism? Of course not, that would be ridiculous.

Are they trying to work towards communism and improve the conditions of their population? I would say so.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would not. They're trying to erase the cultures of any non-Han Chinese and suppressing any lgbt groups. How does that support the "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" creed?

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

LGBT rights in China are admittedly at a frustratingly slow speed. Other comrades more familiar than I am with Chinese politics have suggested that the democratic centralism means that as they do advance, it will be collectively, and without a conservative backlash as we see in the US

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Reducing all the nuance of Marxism, socialism, and communism to

"from each according to his ability to each according to his need"

is problematic.

It's not going to lead to much explanation and it ignores the hundreds of thousands of other words that Marxists have written.

This is in addition to the problem that "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" is the goal of communism and you're arguing with someone who (rightly) says communism hasn't been reached.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is like really basic geopolitics my dude, China is a thoroughly capitalist economy by any definition that isn't being massaged specifically to exclude them.

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe do not try to use basic geopolitics to answer a question of political economy?

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha? Did I commit a whoopsie by using the term geopolitics to refer to how one of the top 3 global superpowers runs its markets?

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It means you did not understand the question, and your answer proved me right. You are completely ignorant regarding communist theory.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Classic more leftist than thou bs. Is your goal to alienate everyone who doesn't already share your exact thoughts?

[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You did not " not share my exact thoughts", you did not even grasp the topic. In the former there is some overlap and some deviation. In the latter there is no overlap.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I like how pedantic you are about this but you literally can't even parse my simple English properly.