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When do we ban the AFD in Germany ππππ
With AfD polling at the same popularity as the SPD, that could get ugly. And everyone is still aware of the disgrace that came to light when they tried to ban the way less popular NPD. I guess some secret services would hate to lose their assets in the AfD.
The "way less popular NPD" ban failed, because the NPD was way less popular. Cite from DW article (2017): "Although the party's attitude to the constitution has been deemed hostile, it does not have the potential to upend democracy in Germany, the court said."
Same popularity as the SPD (aka 20%) means that the party is not irrelevant like the NPD. So if the party's attitude to the constitution has been deemed hostile and it does indeed have the potential to upend democracy in Germany this should be the perfect time to ban this party.
Problem being, when one voter every 5 supports a party, it's not that simple as you're basically saying 20% of your entire population is unfit according to the constitution.
It's a suicide, politically speaking
But it's true! Which make's the whole thing fucking dangerous. That's exactly the reason the constitution does have articles in it meant to combat this very thing.
It may be a cynical argument but... People who wrote Grundgesetz doesn't need to be elected anymore, people who does politics today, instead, needs to.
We live in a democracy, at the very end, the electorate is the true final judge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrenched_clause#Germany
Germany's constitution protects certain parts from changed through regular legislation. This was done specifically to prohibit the rise of authoritarian governments.
There are many more citizens than voters. Only around 72% of those, who are allowed to, vote and this also leaves out the people who are not allowed to.
It still buys time, they are real fascists and dangerous
It's long overdue imo.
And FvD in The Netherlandsβ¦
We could not ban NPD, which are literal Nazis. So no chance, Nazis that pretend to be just very conservative, will be banned.
We didn't ban them because they were a tiny minority that didnt get any votes. The AFD is a party of fascists with a chance of disrupting our democracy. I'm sure there is a way.
Not really, we tried really hard but it turned out that to many people involved were "informants" working for Verfassungsschutz. But I also don't really see a point in forbidding a Party that has 20% support, those people won't just change their opinion. They are the actual problem and needed to be reached.
The V Leute issue was a long time ago. The newest attempt to ban NPD was because they were insignificant since most of its voters migrated to AfD or worse
My bad, must have missed that one.
Unfortunately you let it become too big and relevant to be dissolved.
I mean, the last time they tried to ban a party, it failed because it was not relevant enough to be a significant threat to democracy.