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Some U.S. officials are frustrated at the pace of Ukraine’s counteroffensive, which has gained less than 100 square miles of territory.

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[–] kae@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's an interesting product of a western world that hasnt really seen war in 70 years. It's always been far away.

We seek instant gratification, when in reality these are people's lives. It should move slowly, especially against heavily mined positions. I'm wondering if we'll see much progress until the F-16s enter the field to gain air support for the ground troops.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

a western world that hasnt really seen war in 70 years

Do TV stations in the West don't show the war they produce? Because as far as I know we haven't stopped having wars where the West is involved since at least 200 years, so I'm not really sure I follow you there. Afghanistan doesn't count or what?

[–] rammer@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

They showed what the US government wanted them to see.

[–] kae@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Might be a play on the word "see" here.

Wars are distant things to North America. A product that is viewed only through glass or a screen. There has never been conventional war on modern north American soil, so it is something people go to, but not a devastation that really affects day to day life.

I'd liken the attitude more to Hollywood movies: an export of American (US) culture.

So the understanding that this is people's literal homes. That life is finite, and war is atrocious is disconnected. I can watch Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, Black Hawk Down, etc. to get a taste of war, but when I'm done with it, I want it to resolve and be over.

That's not possible for Ukrainians. Their country is still occupied. The devastation on their land will continue for decades.

Even if they crash through the lines next week, and sweep aside Russian defences like dust there are decades of rebuilding and de-mining ahead.

The cultural West must be willing to be in that journey every step of the way, or we risk another radicalized generation in the future that heard the promises, but lived the broken actions.

All in my opinion, of course, from the safety of my home.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago

Sure it has, but it has mainly seen it through the lens of the USA. The USA has been able to overpower other militaries on such an extreme scale that people think a war should be over in a week.

Most of the deaths were saw in Iraq and Afghanistan were from an insurgency fighting an occupying force. It wasn't the same as two industrial nations fighting. No one really covered the Iran-Iraq War, so the closest experience would likely be Korea.