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Democrats worry their most loyal voters won’t turn out for Biden in 2024
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I'm living in reality, however unpleasant that may be. No "left" third party candidate will do anything but get Trump another term. I want better things for this country, but the way to get them isn't to help elect a fascist hopeful dictator. Change needs to start at the bottom, you seem really motivated, you should go run for City council and start making the change you want to see. Right now your answer to not liking one candidate is to choose the one that probably would love to put you in a reeducation camp.
We literally have over a years until the Election and Cornel West Doesn't have to go through all the hoops Sanders did by running in the Primaries.
It is unlikely, but it's not impossible that West could win. Because wiht 3 or more candidates in the race, a winner could get by with 30%, and once West starts polling in the double digits and the possibility he could win becomes more realistic, many disaffected democrats and some republicans will switch Sides.
I've never seen a 3rd party candidate get so much momentum this early on, and I've never seen an ecombant party freak out so much about 'spoilers' on an off year. I think the Democratic leadership see West as a Threat for good reason. It's not because of their, easily debunked "spoiler" narrative, it's because West could fuck up the entire progressive plantation.
Ross Perot
Incumbent
Hope the fascist hell you wish upon us treats you well. Work on your propaganda daddy Putin is really starting to just pay anyone.
Did they say that Ross Perot was a threat to the constitutional order? I find that unlikely, they certainly didn't make this much noise about it the year before the election.
And yes, everyone who disagrees with you is a Putin bot -- speaking of the early 90's, do you remember see how Clinton supported Yeltsin's coup which directly paved the way for Putin to take power in the first place? Of course, Bill couldn't have known that, but maybe the lesson here is we shouldn't be supported coup's in other countries, ya know, overthrowing democracies and putting fascists in power. That's bad right?
I totally agree, putting fascists in power is bad! So voting for a third party candidate that will split the vote of the left and bring fascism to the presidency is bad. If you really don't understand this you are lying to yourself or arguing in bad faith. I'm sure you will reply, but I'm done.
I'm just saying we need to hold our Politicians accountable in order to make sure they do they right thing. I believe in Democracy and part of that is a having a lively debate about issues that affect us - not just lock step refusing to acknowledge that people are suffering. That doesn't help us overall, and that certainly doesn't help you win an election, so I hope that the presence of 3rd party candidates will force the democrats to move left on key issues, maybe they can spend the many millions of dollars they receive on mobilizing voters, because otherwise they are most likely going to lose. The Democrats need to deal with their own internal problems and start asking why the hugely unpopular GOP is so close to beating them instead of blaming everything on 3rd parties.
wishing for cornel west is not wishing for "fascist hell".
Wishing? Fine you got me wish your ass off. Voting for him though is splitting the vote and putting a fascist in power. Wish all you want but if you don't vote for the Democrat in the presidential election don't expect me to share my bread scraps while we are in the reeducation camp!
if cornel west wins there isn't going to be any camp.
but if you're worried about shooting the vote, you should consider voting with the principal people who won't vote for any other person.
There are more than 2 choices. Democrats just don't have the balls to give up the entitlements they've come to rely on with the status quo.
Incorrect. In FPtP, the presidential race has only two options. Anything else is a vote for the candidate you don't want.
This has been proven mathematically.