this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2023
3230 points (98.5% liked)
Fediverse
27709 readers
1096 users here now
A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it's related services using ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, KBin, etc).
If you wanted to get help with moderating your own community then head over to !moderators@lemmy.world!
Rules
- Posts must be on topic.
- Be respectful of others.
- Cite the sources used for graphs and other statistics.
- Follow the general Lemmy.world rules.
Learn more at these websites: Join The Fediverse Wiki, Fediverse.info, Wikipedia Page, The Federation Info (Stats), FediDB (Stats), Sub Rehab (Reddit Migration), Search Lemmy
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
What's the story behind this defederation? I missed that
it does basically boil down to what other people have said but I'll elaborate.
The reasons are political disagreements from the admins of lemmy.world, and them taking the site's zealous left-wing opinions and shitposting culture as prima-facie evidence that hexbear users cannot be trusted not to break lemmy.world rules (unstated which rules) by pushing "their beliefs and ideology". It almost sounds reasonable until you think about it like, at all. It's an explicitly political instance (though honestly >50% of the posting is just news of the day and banter), so of course the users will by and large have those political opinions and post them. As long as they do so within the rules of lemmy.world I don't see the issue personally.
I can sort of understand why tbf. Just playing the devil's advocate here but the issue is that today it's fine and shitposts are shitposts but Poe's law will come into action at some point.
That's not the actual reason. Hexbear was openly advocating for their "army" to brigade other instances once it was federating. It just so happens that the basis of that brigading was going to be political.
Lemmy.world pre-emptivly decided it wasn't worth the hassle of having to deal with that.
TBH reading "their" opinion on Russia and the Russia war I can see why people would just simply want them to stay within their weird island. Well defederation is still not a cool option in general for the platform as a whole but I can see how admins of instances read stuff like that and can't help but let their own opinion influence their decision. I would probably stay away from these as well.
Hexbear only recently started opening itself up to federation. It’s one of the old leftist instances that was around before the reddit api fiasco. Think lemmygrad but more tolerant and pro-lgbtq.
Basically the powers that be determined that Hexbear "violated" Lemmy's TOS by being a little too right wing (their opinion) and therefore chose on behalf of the entirety of Lemmy that the instance should be defederated.
Source
I live here but to be clear, lemmy.world is not "the entirety of Lemmy".