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Reminder: If you aren't fighting conservatism, you aren't fighting climate change.
Conservatives are the henchmen of the biggest polluters on the planet. These polluters use conservatives (and neo-liberals) as their political and social shields. We cannot defeat the pollution lobby unless we first defeat their conservative henchmen in politics and in our daily lives.
Do your part by excluding conservatives from your daily life. Conservatism is vile and should be treated as such. It should be shunned from polite society and openly discussed as the grotesque, deadly plague that it is. Nothing good in history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing.
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Conservative or progressive is often associated with political party's.
E.g., if the evidence suggests we should take a precautionary approach & not gamble the stability of the planet's climate on an unproven "carbon capture" tech, that would be conservative, or a precautionary approach (prudence).
But, the conservative party's & industries are promoting carbon capture. They're not conservative (cautious), they're venture capitalists (gambling for a profit)
Reminder Meloni is a facist and not a conservative.
They are the same picture.
Conservatives want to keep the system as it is or at least only do minimal repairs to keep it going. In the West that means they are currently liberals.
Facists want to create racist, militaristic dictatorships.
To give you an example. Biden is a conservative for the most part and Trump is a facist.
It is like a layman theory and a scientific theory.
While the meaning of conservative initially meant slow to change, the political definition does not align with that at all. The current political definition of conservative is someone who wants to make rapid changes backwards by removing rights and opposing any social benefits that would help everyone.
As of the last few decades, politicians who identify as conservative are fascists.
My attitude is not shitty at all. It is pragmatic and solution focused. It's not intended as a punishment or revenge. If it comes off that way, so be it, but the exclusion of conservatives from the lives of normal people is critical to us growing and moving beyond the harm caused by conservatism.
The challenge is that exclusion isn't necessarily the best way to shift views. People can and do change, particularly if you can encourage them to change their media diet or you can get somebody whom they respect to explicitly talk about climate.
Changing the views of a conservative is a lost cause. Such efforts are the distraction that corporate polluters are paying big money to achieve. The goal is not to change their views, but to separate them from intelligent civilization. Let them live the way they demand to live. Poorly. If they become introspective and curious about the world, it is there for them to learn about. But that process comes from within. In the meantime, we must not be dragged down by conservatives. We should exclude them and move past them on a societal and commercial scale.
You can sometimes shift people a bit. You don't get some sudden flip in position, but can move people a few notches along, at least when interacting with somebody as a peer, and not in a situation where they're just out to troll.
That's very nice, but it will not be effective. This approach is the default approach for polite progressives and has failed for decades. The result is an environment where conservatives become more conservative despite the brief positive interactions.
The world's knowledge is available to them when they decide to seek it. Including them in conversations is only placating and distracting the progressive. It is not shifting anything substantial for the conservative.
It very much depends on context.
In the context of modern conservatives, their entire worldview negates progress and caring about people. Decades of experience have proven that this is the case.