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[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, Colorado Springs is ~6000' closer to space XD

I find it interesting that Huntsville AL, where Trump wanted to move space force, is where we sent all the Nazi scientists from operation paperclip:

TIME magazine: How America Educated the Children of Nazis after World War II

The scientists did build the missiles that they were brought here to build. They then went on to [help] build NASA which I think is actually considered a far greater accomplishment. Wernher von Braun, who was the leader of this group, is deeply woven into the history of NASA. So in that sense, yes. But there was definitely a sense that it wasn’t clear why we needed German scientists to do this. A lot protested not just on ethical grounds, but also on the feeling that American scientists were pretty great too and could have produced the same results.
And a good contingent of the Operation Paperclip children [are still] in the Huntsville, Alabama, area because so many of them went on to work for NASA. Some of them had amazing professional careers and were highly successful people. They’re a close group. Everyone I talked to is still in touch with other people from the group.
How is the story of the Operation Paperclip children relevant to today?
The way in which it feels immediately relevant right now is with this idea of happy white children as symbols of democracy. There are a whole lot of culture wars and anxiety around that right now, particularly in Republican states where there’s been legislation about how children [should not] feel discomfort, guilt or anxiety based on race. This sort of concern with protecting white children, or seeing white children’s own sense of self privileged over that of all other children is an echo of [the way that] German children of Nazi scientists were treated far better and seen as far more valuable than their Mexican American peers. Talking about happiness, or guilt or discomfort [is] often really talking about political power, more than emotional truth.

There's a lasting legacy of racism in the area and I'm glad to not be sending the region more federal dollars and exposing more recruits to that culture. Redstone arsenal doesn't need another government aerospace agency there. I'd much rather support Colorado.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This sort of concern with protecting white children, or seeing white children’s own sense of self privileged over that of all other children is an echo of [the way that] German children of Nazi scientists were treated far better and seen as far more valuable than their Mexican American peers.

spoiler alert for For All Mankind - sorry, on mobile, and I cannot seem to figure out how to do spoiler tags…

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Huh. This is an aspect of Aleida Rosales in For All Mankind that I actually had no idea about. They touched on a lot of the Nazi rocket scientist stuff in there, and definitely presented themes of racial injustice, but I didn’t realize that that whole dynamic was specifically tied to the character in such a pointed way.