With the mass migrations of Reddit users to Lemmy/Kbin, and Twitter now speedrunning its own mass extinction, it seems me that the eventual future of social media is de-centralized. I like how Lemmy is slowing turning out, even if it still has some work to do and growing pains to fix up. It's still able to inform me of all of the current events I want and has a large enough community that it doesn't feel empty.
I think a similar path will present itself for a de-centralized video media platform like PeerTube, since YouTube will eventually piss off enough of its users to cause a similar kind of exodus. Wanting to jump in on the concept at an early stage, I signed up for a channel on spectra.video and uploaded my video collection there.
But, I don't really see the same kind of community and usefulness on PeerTube. I check out the Discover and Trending pages, and it just seems like the same set of videos, really. There's not enough content to keep PeerTube from looking like a small indie project. I can click on Recently Added and it is usually other people just dumping their channel collections, instead of recent adds of new videos. It's very easy to scroll down and find videos from months ago.
After poking around on various other PeerTube sites, I think I found the real problem with the platform: Federation.
For example, let's look at how federated Lemmy's community is:
All interconnected with hundreds and hundreds (if not thousands) of other instances. If you sign up for one Lemmy account, you have little risk in not being able to access a remote community elsewhere. It feels like a federated community, where everything is de-centralized, but communication is linked everywhere. I can even link to my own video channel from Lemmy.
Now, look at PeerTube's instance lists, based on what I've seen on the Join PeerTube site:
- Spectra.video
- TILvids (basically non-existent)
- Neat.tube
- Video.blender.org
- BassPistol
- Diode.zone
- FTV
- PeerTube.io
- Review.PeerTube.biz
It's all so bare. At most, 80-90 instances for some sites. I can't see a lot of other instances' videos, and they can't see mine. Not from here or here or here or here or here or here or here or here.
It makes PeerTube a large collection of small silos, instead of a real federated community. People want to be able to sign on to an instance and find the content they want without having to jump through all of these different instances. Subscription feeds rely on having a unified list from many different instances. The technology has a lot of potential, but the PeerTube community is not nearly as organized as the rest of the Fediverse.
This sounds like a somewhat simple problem to solve, but I'm not sure what other kind of technological hurdles exist. How did the Lemmy community solve it?
What about https://d.tube/ ? At first glance, you may think Dtube is just another of those websites similar to YouTube, but that’d be doing the platform a disservice.
Dtube is a decentralized platform that uses a social blockchain system where every user interaction is end-to-end encrypted. There’s no central figure controlling what users are posting, so they have more independence and control over their content. As a result, Dtube is censorship-free, and every uploaded video remains there forever.
The best part of this innovative video website is that users earn rewards for posting, curating, and voting content. The rewards come in the form of Dtube’s own cryptocurrency, DTC.
video websites like youtube
@LoveSausage @MetaStatistical
I just tried it but I recognized that all videos I watched are hosted and played by YouTube. It just presents the regular YouTube player inside the drive website.... did I get something wrong here?
https://www.reddit.com/r/dtube/comments/cyhxd7/why_are_dtube_videos_mostly_just_embedded_youtube/ The reason we allow people to use third party services is that for many, the concept of self-hosting and getting away from abusive services isn't a problem. They'd simply like a video site that allowed them to earn DTC and Steem.
I'd agree that having ONLY youtube videos would defeat the purpose of a decentralised video service, but we allow a lot of third party services (as long as they use oembed, you're good to go). Alternatively you can let us host the video, finally if you have the know how and a local IPFS node, you can self host.
The point is we provide a lot of options, and that's the key to decentralisation, not that everyone does it, just that everyone has the ability to do what they want to.
@LoveSausage
But then you can never guarantee that all videos remain "there" forever, what you wrote, correct? 🤔
I assume if they're are on the chain they can't be taken down. But they allow embedded videos from elsewhere to make up for the lack of storage space.
@LoveSausage
The best free and open source algorithm for a video platform seems worthless if there is no storage in practice. This will always be a problem because videos consume a lot lot lot of space 😏
Well at least they are trying. It is an issue for any kind of there projects.
Since editing seems to be broken a bit. The idea of monetisation that D tube has makes it at least a viable structure. I just hope it goes well
Same here , I haven't gotten the hang of it myself tbh it does seem like they are having issues with storage space
Blockchain 🤮