I'm sure there are some people in Russia asking the United States to remove the dictator Putin from power... Yet, the United States didn't invade Russia. You don't get to just invade a sovereign country because a very small number of people asking.

That's your evidence of being the Nazi collaborator flags in the background? Ukrainian Insurgent Army fought with the Nazis trying to free Ukraine from the soviets, as some fought with soviets to free Ukraine from the Nazis. Both were fighting to free Ukraine. Finland joined the Nazis, not because they agreed with the Nazis but to fight against the invading soviets.

Sadly there are many places that have neo-nazis, but they are in the minority. Neo-nazis exist in places hurt by the Nazis greatly, like Poland, France, Britain and even Russia.

Here is Putin standing with a Russia Nazi: https://romea.cz/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fromea.cz%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2022%2F02%2Futkin.jpg&w=1200&q=75

And you just attack a slogan that basically says victory to Ukraine from the invaders? Now you're not even trying

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So there is overwhelming evidence of ethnic cleansing? I have yet to see any. In the age of cell phones, there would be so much evidence.

What do you think it looks like? You want a picture of the language laws?

Yet, the United States didn’t invade Russia. You don’t get to just invade a sovereign country because a very small number of people asking.

Yeah that's why they got Ukraine to threaten them and start a war, to "weaken Russia".

Ukrainian Insurgent Army fought with the Nazis trying to free Ukraine from the soviets,

Ahistorical Nazi apologism now. Look at yourself. Full mask off.

Sadly there are many places that have neo-nazis, but they are in the minority. Neo-nazis exist in places hurt by the Nazis greatly, like Poland, France, Britain and even Russia.

Again, Have you never heard the expression “Slava Ukraine?” It's not a minority that's repeating that.

Here is Putin standing with a Russia Nazi

That's fake. The guy on the left is not the same guy as the one on the right. This has been debunked. It's one of only two photos in existence like this. The other is a Russian general getting an award wearing a Ukrainian coat with a totenkopf on it. Wherase there are literally thousands of pictures of Ukrainian Nazis.

You're finished now Adolf.

[–] GrimChaos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please list the more laws. "treason in Ukraine won't be tolerated" how is this proof of all ethic cleansing? All countries have laws against treason, especially when you're illegally invaded (they normally get tougher on those). Or does Russia not have laws against treason? Hell, you can't even call it a war in Russia or speak bad of the government.

What was the threat against Russia? Were they going to invaded Russia? Ukraine barely had an army. Ukraine gave up it's nuclear weapons in the 1990s in exchange for security protections, signed by Russia, Ukraine, Britain and the United States, promised that none of the nations would use force or threats against Ukraine and all would respect its sovereignty and existing borders (Budapest Memorandum). Putin broke that treaty and is trying to create his dollar store version of the Soviet union by invading other countries.

So, explaining historical context is apologizing for Nazis?

Slava Ukraine is said by Ukraine, I never said it wasn't. But you never explained how that makes them Nazis. If Ukraine was invading other countries, it might have a different meaning but it's just them defending their country. If their slogan was "heil Hitler" you might have a point.

Wow, thousands of wanna-be neo-Nazis!!! Out of a population of 43 million. So, like .002% of the population!!! You're right, that's not a minority!

I say the picture of zelenskyy is fake... If I just say it, it must be true.

Okay, Stalin. So, you just resort to name calling... I can too. Hitler and Stalin were monsters and it's sad to see that Putin is acting like a mashup of the two of them.

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

> Please list some laws.

Really? You want their codifications? The titles of the laws? JFC, the dishonesty on display. You're just trying to give me busywork because you have no comeback. Are you trying to tell me that you deny that these laws exist?

>What was the threat against Russia?

Constant big talk about joining NATO and installing nukes in Ukraine, eliminating the possibility of MAD. Ethhnic cleansing on its doorstep of ethnic Russians.

Putin didn't break any treaty, Russia legally invaded Ukraine after he lost a motion in the Duma about the recognition of the breakaway regions. Once they were officially recognised Russia had to protect them from Ukraine's Nazi forces.

>So, explaining historical context is apologizing for Nazis?

If you're "explaining" in order to make excuses for them, yes.

>Slava Ukraine is said by Ukraine, I never said it wasn’t. But you never explained how that makes them Nazis.

It's a Nazi slogan, used by Nazis. next question?

>If Ukraine was invading other countries, it might have a different meaning but it’s just them defending their country.

You think Nazis are only Nazis if they're invading somewhere? Weird idea. Anyway they were invading the autonomously declared regions in Donbas. A people who wanted self-determination to escape the threat of Nazi ethnic cleansing.

>Wow, thousands of wanna-be neo-Nazis!!! Out of a population of 43 million. So, like .002% of the population!!!

Thousands of pictures. Anyway, nobody said that everyone in Ukraine was a Nazi. The state is fascist and has invented holidays honouring Nazis and renamed streets and stadiums after Nazis.

Stalin defeated the Nazis. Ukraine has never forgiven the Russians for that.

[–] GrimChaos@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You're the one making claims of laws that are responsible for ethnic cleansing, so you should be able to provide some examples.

There are no nukes in the Baltic states (they are already NATO members but Ukraine isn't), why would they put nukes in the Ukraine? Plus the US and Russia could already hit anywhere in the world already. So, it's a made up threat to try to justify an invasion.

Slogans can have different meanings depending on context. If Ukraine was invading other countries, then Glory to Ukraine might sound like they are superior but if they are defending it sounds like they will be victorious. Plus, Slava Ukraine sounds more like a the Soviet union slogan "glory to the motherland."

Man, if you think that historical context are excuses. You could never read a history book then... Which might actually explain a lot...

Putin did break the treaty he invaded the boarders of Ukraine. You can't illegally invade a country then have an illegal vote to declare a breakaway regions under an military occupation.

Stalin defeated the Nazis then proceeded to kill millions of people... And you wonder why so many former Soviet countries want to join NATO for protection. One monster replaced with another.

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

>You’re the one making claims of laws that are responsible for ethnic cleansing, so you should be able to provide some examples.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/25/ukraine-adopts-law-enforcing-use-of-ukrainian-in-public-life

https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1632366929745940480

https://twitter.com/RueDaungier/status/1650503466706452484

>There are no nukes in the Baltic states (they are already NATO members but Ukraine isn’t), why would they put nukes in the Ukraine?

The point is not to put nukes there, the point is to threaten Russia to provoke a war. It worked. Why expand NATO at all? The USSR doesn't exist anymore, it should have been dismantled.

>Slogans can have different meanings depending on context.

Nazi slogans are Nazi slogans regardless of context. If you start chanting "Sieg Heil"do you really think the excuse that you haven't invaded anywhere is going to wash? Besides, Ukraine invaded the breakaway republics and killed thousands, including civilians while chanting these Nazi slogans.

>Putin did break the treaty he invaded the boarders of Ukraine. You can’t illegally invade a country then have an illegal vote to declare a breakaway regions under an military occupation.

>Stalin defeated the Nazis then proceeded to kill millions of people

Stalin was by no means perfect but this millions of people crap is just ahistorical yank propaganda that you've been brainwashed with.

[–] GrimChaos@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So name a law BEFORE the invasion (2014)... Remember you are trying to justify the illegal invasion. It looks like the stuff you list was in response to the invasion.

Let me think... Why would countries want to join NATO. could it be Moldova, Georgia, Abkhazia... Seems like there is a need. Seems like Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR.

Okay, the Soviets used Nazi slogans, got it

Wow, Stalin not that bad? He's not as bad as Hitler but still close. Stalin was just over a longer span of time. To the point the Soviet union even tried to De-Stalinization the Soviet union. My parents grew up under Soviet oppression and it was not a good time.

[–] Blursty@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Name a law before the Nazi coup overthrew Ukraine and started the ethnic cleansing. Well done, you've managed to move the goalposts so far that nothing makes sense anymore. Russia was invited into the independent Autonomous Republic of Crimea by its leadership in order to protect it from the Nazis after the American coup.

Let me think… Why would countries want to join NATO.

The vast majority of actual citizens of countries all over Europe are opposed to America's war in Ukraine, as opposed to their American influenced leadership.

Wow, Stalin not that bad? He’s not as bad as Hitler but still close.

This is just American propaganda. Your parents' experience is at odds with most peoples'. Almost everyone who lived in the USSR preferred it to what came after.