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Idk about that - one has tried to get into EU and fight corruption, the other voted to devour his neighbouring country for increasingly petty reasons.
It's not petty to respond to threats of nuclear annihilation by a fascist Nazi regime next door. Come on now.
What nuclear capability does Ukraine have currently?
None at all. The threat was that they would join NATO and install nukes.
There was no threat made. Even if Ukraine had entered into NATO, NATO had made no noise about stationing nukes in Ukraine. It could well have kept the status of the Baltic states where they don't have nukes stationed there. There's really no strategic value to NATO to do so. That was an excuse made up by the Kremlin.
Here you go. There's also a video of him demanding pre-emptive nukes be used against Russia.
Zelensky did not ask for pre-emptive nukes against Russia. That was an erroneous English translation. And I said NATO had made no noise about stationing nuclear weapons. For that matter, it's a bit of a reach to say that Ukraine is requesting that nuclear weapons be stationed on its territory, but rather that it gave up nuclear weapons in return for an agreement that Russia has now breached.
"But Zelenskyy’s response to a question from Lowy Institute Executive Director Michael Fullilove, who moderated the discussion, did not specifically mention nuclear weapons."
While talking about nuclear weapons, what else does preemptive strikes mean? This is new levels of cope.
Here's his direct threat of installing nuclear weapons.
Look back at the quote in that article. He's not talking about wanting nuclear weapons. He's talking about entering into NATO with its Article 5 protections because the Budapest Memorandum has failed.
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Putin and the Kremlin then twisted those words into nukes, when Zelensky explicitly only wants to replace the failed Budapest Memorandum protections with Article 5 protections. Despite all of Putin's bluster, he knows damn well the US isn't going to help Ukraine obtain nukes. The US, the Soviet Union, and other nuclear powers have gone to considerable lengths to avoid nuclear proliferation.
Refuting a poor translation is not "copium". The original Ukrainian did not have the English connotations of nuclear weapons, but was more along the lines of general preemptive actions.
Does it not give you pause when you hear yourself say weird shit like this? You think Vladimir Putin himself is involved in creating propaganda? The Kremlin is a tourist museum. Listen to yourself, you're just a parrot repeating gibberish that you don't understand.
The rest of your comment is just a poor effort to ignore the website I linked you to.
"Putin and the Kremlin then twisted"... jfc
When Putin gives a speech that spreads misinformation about what Zelensky says then yes, he's very much part of spreading propaganda and misinformation.
You do realize I'm not speaking literally? I'm using the common metonymy for the Russian Government, just like The Pentagon for the US armed forces, The White House for the US presidency, #10 Downing Street for the UK Prime Minister, Beijing for China's government, and so on. But more literally, the Grand Kremlin Palace is the residence of the Russian president.
>When Putin gives a speech that spreads misinformation about what Zelensky says then yes,
For the third time now, what Zelensky said was real. I provided you with evidence for this and you've ignored it, again.
>You do realize I’m not speaking literally?
I realise you're mindlessly repeating cheesy propaganda tropes. All of these other places you listed actually contain functioning state decision making apparatus.
Zelensky threatened Russia with nukes. Now you know this for a fact.
What Zelensky said in Ukrainian about preemptive strikes was real. How an English speaker is hearing the translation is not.
> I realise you’re mindlessly repeating cheesy propaganda tropes.
Do you actually know what you're talking about, or are you just insulting me on principle? There are various kremlins, most of which are museums but one of which is the working office of the president. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Kremlin_Palace
> Zelensky threatened Russia with nukes. Now you know this for a fact.
Please, do tell how Zelensky threatened Russia with nukes during a speech that mentions a desire for NATO membership (which Ukraine has not been shy about) but never expresses a desire for nuclear weapons.
So you're going to continue to pretend you missed the link I provided you with, for a fourth time now and instead focus on an iffy refutation of an irrelevant translation?
You're not fooling anyone with this.
Tell me, where in the actual quote did he say he wanted Ukraine to have nuclear weapons?
I'd encourage you to expound on this in your original comment, rather than start off with something inflammatory. It doesn't promote an interesting discussion.
You want me to edit my original comment? I'm not following. Is there something in my comment you take issue with factually?