This kind of reasoning is why we are not making progress. It's much easier to hold others to high standards when you've applied these to yourself first. The same goes for countries: it will be easier to pressure China/India when the West has done their part.

[–] McJonalds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

how do you expect people to apply those standards to themselves before they are applied to the biggest sinners? most people don't even buy how bad it is

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, we are not making peogress because of your kind of reasoning. We need to make accountable to the bourgeois, the rulling class, even if the whole working class reduced its carbon footprint it would still not make a significant change, they must be replaced and forced to change their ways.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

If all the rich were dead, the "normal folks" would still want 2 day shipping, cellphones every 3 years, non local ingredients, and fossil fuel cars.

[–] ButtholeAnnihilator@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The West can only "do its part" because we've shipped all our worst industries to China and India.

[–] joelthelion@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Doing our part includes reducing our consumption. Where things are produced doesn't matter all that much for this part of the problem.