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[–] dismalnow@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And when the government can effectively prevent massive amounts of benzene from going into the air, they are more than welcome to work on the trace amounts of nicotine.

[–] AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not a zero sum. You can be against both.

[–] dismalnow@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One is clearly worse, can be stopped, and isn't bullshit.

The other is whiny bullshit, and your analogy sucks.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

But people aren't against it. They are against cigarettes and vaping because they don't like them. Alchohol? Totally fine. Pills? Goochie. Caffeine? Can't live without it. And if it's a matter of smell, then when are we making not showering illegal? Also, axe body spray, perfumes, incense, and any other form of non-consensual smells?

These things will never be banned because people like them. The same argument applies, but it doesn't get railed against because they don't bother you.

[–] crystal@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should only make beating others illegal once we successfully prevented all murder

[–] dismalnow@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

It's about ease of enforcement. If you can't enforce a law, it's bullshit lip service.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You'd be right, but those trace amount of nicotine are often going straight into our faces for the crime of being downwind of someone smoking/vaping without a care in the world.

Health effects aside, I'd appreciate not having to breath in or smell other people's second-hand smoke/vape.

[–] sacredbirdman@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's more nicotine in your average pasta sauce than you'll absorb by following a vaping person for an hour. I know you're talking about a principle.. but it's not a very strong argument.

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay, assuming that's true, when I eat pasta with sauce, the person next to me doesn't end up ingesting my pasta sauce.

When you smoke/vape, the people are forced to inhale your exhaust as they breath (which we don't really get a lot of choice in doing).

It's like saying because you got an X-ray you shouldn't worry about bathing in the sun for too long.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

You're breathing the same air they are, whether you can see it or not...

[–] sacredbirdman@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

You missed the point. More accurate would be: because you watched TV for an hour you shouldn't worry about someone shining a flashlight on you. That's the level of consequences we're talking about and it sounds ridiculous when someone blows them out of proportions. Maybe we should start worrying about anal residue too because people are farting outside.

[–] LexiconDexicon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The "selfish" argument goes both ways, you're just as selfish for telling people what they can do with their own body as they are for blowing smoke in your face

[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It does go both ways, but saying "my body, my right" when what you're doing has a physical, unhealthy effect on the people around you I'd argue is more selfish than my wanting you to stop.

Imagine if people just stood outside of buildings constantly coughing and spluttering germs at you whenever you walked past. You'd want them to stop, no?

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

you are one selfish bastard huh