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Might makes right, then?
In terms of global politics, yes. Every country has fallen back into capitalism in some form, the closest I can think of being truly, actually communist were the Spanish Anarchists based out of Barcelona during the Spanish Civil War. If you would like to read about them I recommend George Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia." Everyone made the same amount, they called each other comrade regardless of rank, etc. They did not last long though, taken out by their own democratic allies during the Civil War.
I disagree. Countries controlled by communist parties today have retreated from socialism by enacting market reforms, but they haven't fallen. A fallen revolution wouldn't bother to call itself communist anymore.
China, in particular, seems to be on a good trajectory and has made a lot of progress towards socialism. There's a reason they tried harder than pretty much every other country on Earth to save their people during the pandemic, despite how much that might have hurt their economy.
China isn't communist, but it's progressive and they're getting there. The revolution just isn't over yet 😘
China is in no way shape or form socialist lmao. They're just another flavor of authoritarian capitalist. If you really think the PRC will every make any meaningful attempts to improve or become more progressive then you are very delusional. The PRC is probably the farthest from progressive you can get. It's a brutal and unforgiving regime.
Zero COVID proves China is literally different than every other capitalist nation on Earth. Even if you don't believe the official data, the excess death rate (i.e. something they can't hide) shows they beat pretty much everyone other than extreme outliers like New Zealand.
I just googled China COVID Death rate and every story is about China underreporting at every step of the process. The fact you believe anything coming from that government is sad and stupid. China trying to pass off zero COVID deaths is just another indicator at a failing state under an oppressive and deadly regime.
The excess death rate, again something that can't be faked, proves China outperformed everyone else.
They can lie an say a death from COVID was actually a heart attack or a stroke or the flu, but they can't just disappear bodies and pretend they're still alive.
Manipulating COVID death counts isn't disappearing the actual deaths themselves. We know deaths still happened, like the Time article said "China’s True COVID Death Toll Estimated To Be in Hundreds of Thousands" - so let us assume that's completely true!
1.4 billion people live in China. The fact that only a few hundred thousand died is a miracle that almost no other country can match when you actually start comparing numbers directly. China outperformed everyone else when you measure how many people died against how many people didn't die. If China just let er rip like America did, over 6 million would have died. Think about that.
I can't read the NYT article because it's behind a paywall lol
Gotta love western "freedom of press"