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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The government has not shared a draft of the voice model, and says concrete details about how many people sit on it, how they are selected and how the voice would interact with parliament would be decided first through further consultation with Indigenous communities after the referendum, and then changed or amended over time by the parliament of the day.

I honestly think this is one of the biggest strategic errors they've made. It plays right into the hands of the fearmongers, by letting them imagine a world where the Voice has more power than it really does, and by letting them wedge people who would otherwise be supportive by claiming it won't adequately represent Indigenous people of all groups. It doesn't matter if these claims are untrue; by not having a specific plan available, people on the fence are more likely to fill in the gaps with the worst image their imagination can conjure up.

[–] spiffmeister@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They would either a) lie and say it anyway or b) find something else to bitch about. The conservatives oppose the voice and no amount of reason or evidence will stop them from finding an issue or making one up.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You’re not wrong, but the effectiveness of their opposition would be lessened a fair bit if Labor were smarter about their messaging.

[–] spiffmeister@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You might be right, but when you don't care at all about truth, you can say anything you want. Most claims they're making can be easily fact checked, but they also rely on most people not having the time or the energy to actually read anything in detail.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Right, but my point isn't aimed so much at the people doing the lying, it's at the people they would be lying too. If they have to stretch even further from the known truth, there'll be fewer people buying into the lie.

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