I believe that XMPP is one of the best protocols for chat communications there is, and I stand up for it. However, the clients that there are, are not comfortable for most people out there used to apps like Telegram, Whatsapp or whatever.

One can defend current XMPP clients saying that quoting with "> " is the traditional way, or that swiping to quote a message is not worth developing; I have plenty more examples like this.
Well, if you think so, OK, use those clients for yourself, but become aware that many people won't use XMPP for just this reason.

After saying all this, I want to tell that I am willing to develop a new, modern looking and comfortable client for XMPP. I think of a client for Android in first instance, but I would have no problem on going further.

However, I don't know programming, so I'm searching programmers who would like to get involved in this.
Although I'm not programmer, I have experience developing software projects, from internationalization to documentation, including ideas about features, testing and all other work there can be.

Will you help me spreading the word? :)

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[–] kromonos@fapsi.be 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

There is, at least for Linux, the Dino client. It's not that bad, but personally I'm in love with the classic design Gajim provides.

[–] kixik@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago (1 children)

There's also Kaidan, which is really cute, and omemo is on its way. Though apparently only modern versions of omemo will be able to talk to to it. This is the desktop app I'll use, once omemo lands on it, :)

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

For now they seem to stick to their idea to not support MUC group chats and only the MIX standard. I hope they will drop that misguided idea soon, but if not it isn't really usable for anything other than 1:1 chats.

[–] kixik@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Is there an open issue around that?

[–] poVoq@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I guess: https://invent.kde.org/network/kaidan/-/issues/72

[–] kixik@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Thanks, though it doesn't seem a bad idea, to provide MIX, the thing is if other xmpp clients also support/adopt MIX, and also that it's still experimental, and then migrating from MUC to MIX might be too much for some, but who knows... MIX seems still at very early stages, :( Hopefully someone offers to help Kaidan devs with MUC support. That particular dev indicating he would advocate for MIX, left the door open for someone else to work on MUC (it was just his preference to focus on MIX instead)... Kaidan really would have been my choice on the desktop, but now there are two major things to wait for, omemo support (ant to a level such that other clients support the same version), and MUC support, or MIX support combined with other clients also supporting MIX and contacts willing to move to new MIX groups.

Oh well, we'll see. It still looks cute though...

[–] marmulak@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago

stick to their idea to not support MUC group chats

Yeah, that's stupid if you ask me. MUC should have been the first thing they implemented, because for almost everyone it's the main thing that they use XMPP for. I can give up OMEMO and a lot of other things if only MUC works, since that is more vital. As long as Kaidan doesn't support group chats, I will never use Kaidan.

The thing is though, if they can really get MIX working and off the ground, I will respect that and I'll even use it, but getting everyone to switch over to MIX seems like an impossible task. Good luck getting all the servers and clients out there to support it. (Could take years, but it's possible.)

Probably the best thing a client wishing to support MIX can do is to support both MIX and MUC. It probably would even help MIX to succeed more if people didn't have to choose one or the other.

[–] vis4valentine@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

This looks cute. Ill try it

[–] marmulak@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago

Felt cute, might delete later