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[–] Amicchan@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Ukraine lost?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Exact same kind of stories we kept seeing about Syria. This video provides some useful context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8moZ7S4voe4

you just can't make this shit up https://twitter.com/DanielGerritsen/status/1510735878502731781

[–] straightpeach@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

You don't honestly believe he cares about the lives of ukrainians? After preventing refugees from leaving the country? Giving weapons to civilians and instilling them to fight a trained military with air superiority? Refusing to back down from plans to join nato, that could have ultimately prevented the war from starting? You don't have to be pro russia to recognize this is a bad joke of an act. You are all smarter than this.

[–] jay91@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

All these civilians died because of the Ukrainian government. The government militarized the civilians by giving weapons to everyone. and now they have problem because all these dead civilians? who started giving weapons to civilians? how started giving materials to make Molotov's to the civilians? the Russians?

Zelensky must be prosecuted for engaging civilians in this war, 1000s of civilians forced to the front line with 0 military experience.

[–] mekhos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's a lot of text that misses the more direct questions like - who invaded Ukraine and shot the civilians?

[–] jay91@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago

Russia invaded Ukraine, but what evidence you have these killed by the Russians? especially the Ukraine propaganda is going crazy.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

So you're saying Zelensky ought to be prosecuted for encouraging civilians to pick up arms.. Do you think Putin should be prosecuted for forcing conscripts into Ukraine, or is that fine because they were conscripted?

[–] TheBlurstOfGuys@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Yes it's fine if they were conscripted, of course it is?

[–] jay91@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Zelensky instead trying his best for a diplomatic solution, he puts more fuel on fire with full awareness that he can't face the Russians with his army, if you are aware of that why you risk it? then, if he trusted his army why asked for mercenaries? it doesn't make any sense, i mean you want play hero? but let the civilians pay for your role? that's stupid.

This man is a total joke, all these dead civilians because he wanted to play hero making it worst.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

While it is true that Zelensky's decision to defend Ukraine led to fighting that killed civilians, and had Ukraine instead surrendered those civilians would be alive today, is that the kind of diplomacy you want?

Put differently, the US has the largest army in the world - so if they invaded any country (or every country one at a time), should those countries just surrender? Is that better, because no civilians die?

[–] jay91@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Zelensky regime was threatening a neighboring country by joining a hostile alliance, its different that any country US attacked. So yes, the civilians are supporting a bad decision they will only pay for it, and zelensky is loving the fact that more people are dying, he believe that this will increase his chance in joining NATO. After he failed executing western agenda, now he want to play hero by using civilians as human shields, all the blame is on Zelensky.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

The part missing from my analogy is where all the US nationalists defend their invasion nonsensically, but it looks like you filled it in for me.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Let's say, just for a moment, that all of these civilians were armed and fighting. They weren't killed in a battle. They were already captured. That would make them POW and entitled to their own set of rights. Torture and execution is a war crime in that case as well.

[–] jay91@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They are not civilians when that carry guns, in all military systems around the world, to be labeled as an OP4 your uniform has nothing to do with that, its about what you carrying in your hand and on who you are shooting.

No POW must be tortured and executed, as long as no longer having a gun in hand.

[–] Amicchan@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

That face seems funny to me.