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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wasn't he the guy who was trying to find a way for HIV-positive couples to have HIV-negative babies?

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 36 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Ethics mean we don't know what the average human male erect penis size is.

No, really. The ethics of the studies say that a researcher can't be in the presence of a sexually aroused erect penis. Having the testee measure their own penis is prone to error. There are ways to induce an erection with an injection, so they use that.

Is the size of an induced erection the same as a sexually aroused erection? Probably in the same ballpark, but we don't really know.

Source: Dr Nicole Prause, neurologist specializing in sexuality, on Holly Randall's podcast.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

A quick trip on Google scholar turns up a lot of studies on the size of male erections.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/553598c1e4b0a7f854584291/t/55ee4a5ee4b025d99f73150e/1441679966732/Penis+Size+Study+-+Veale+et+al+2015+BJUI.pdf

It is acknowledged that some of the volunteers across different studies may have taken part in a study because they were more confident with their penis size than the general male population.

Ha, poisoned data tho

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

a researcher can’t be in the presence of a sexually aroused erect penis

Is this some puritan rule? Plenty don't care to flap their erect penis in the faces of some researchers if they asked nicely. What got ethics to do with it when there is consent?

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[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Watch Star Trek

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Holy shit, this guy managed to have 3 of the first 10 papers listed on google scholar about his shenanigans.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.4337

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Not that I support it in any way of course, but he's not wrong. There's probably a lot of medical knowledge to be gained by seeing how the babies he experimented on develop in the future. It's just that the ends don't justify the means.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Eh, usually less than you would expect. We're really good at math and are quite capable of making synthetic experiments where we find people who either require the procedure, or where it's been done incidentally and then inferring the results as though deliberate.

We can also develop a framework for showing benefit from the intervention, perform the intervention ethically, and then compare that to people who didn't get the intervention after the fact. With proper math you can construct the same confidence as a proper study without denying treatment or intentionally inflicting harm.

It's how we have evidence that tooth brushing is good for you. It would be unethical to do a study where we believe we're intentionally inflicting permeant dental damage to people by telling them not to brush for an extended period, but we can find people who don't and look at them.

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[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Do you want BioShock? Cuz this is how you get BioShock

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Hot take.: He is right though.

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[–] spinne@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Protogen has entered the chat

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[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I think the only thing that deserves clarification is if he broke ethics to do biomedical research. It sure seems he did. There's ethics approval in any study for a good reason.

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