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Unlike most of Lemmy, I actually like AI and even I don't want this.
Technofascists really benefit from certain kinds of information being inaccessible…
fascists really love LLM's. like ridiculously in love with them. it's where all their 'art' comes from. it's made of the shallow aesthetics with no interiority they love so much. plus it doesn't really require articulating your desires much, or having artists.
To borrow Alex Jones’ term - it is information warfare. Train people to accept the outputs of LLMs, attack media literacy (in conjunction with the fact that public schools in the US spent ten years not teaching children how to read), and hide actual sources.
You can have your LLM trained to weasel around the fact that the chattel slavery of black Americans was the primary cause of the Civil War, or falsely represent science surrounding gender and sexuality (they’re explicitly tuning Grok on this).
You don’t have to worry about subversive messages on war or women in your “AI” generated “Ghibhli” film. Have all the fun space faring of Star Wars, without the prequel geopolitics everyone hated until they saw it happen.
yeah. letting silicon valley build the sword with which to slay the dragon Truth was really some 'neon genesis evangellion' grade bullshit. posadism hasn't failed in this timeline, though. fingers crossed.
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They did that long before AI.
Google, Apple and plenty others have regular meetings with defense people to accomodate them.
No surprise Eric Schmit left Google to form a defense company since some employees there had a consciense and didn't like working on killer drone programs.
Does EVERY axis in life have to be fucked up at the same time?
Can we have one thing that is just doing ok?
Government - fucked.
Education - fucked.
Healthcare - fucked.
Environment - fucked.
Housing - fucked.
Societal and Social Cohesion - fucked.
Wealth Inequality - fucked.
Personal Technological Autonomy - fucked, and under continuous attack.
Technological Enshittification - Running like gangbusters. So really - fucked.
Damn, someone give me some kind of ladder to climb out of this pit of despair.
Every single one of these flows from wealth inequality.
Excellent point!
They also flow from corruption (regulatory capture/failure to enforce anti-trust and other consumer-protection law). It's hard to say whether that is itself a cause or result of wealth inequality, though.
Nintendo, when chasing developers of emulators and modders, uses regulatory mechanisms. IP is such a mechanism initially. Intended to protect the little guy from big bad corporations.
It’s hard to say whether that is itself a cause or result of wealth inequality, though.
It's both of course. Only time flows in one direction and never the other.
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The ladder has been privatized.
You get the greased pole.
I know it isn't much, but services like mastodon, lemmy, kbin, friendica, Peertube, etc have shown me there is connected pushback.
Tilde communities have given me something smaller scale to focus on.
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Every civilization rises and falls. We're on the down slope ATM. Sorry. The 80s and 90s were pretty nice in America!
That feel when the Matrix actually called it
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How many cases of "You should eat at least one small rock per day" AI bullshit does Google think is acceptable for production deployment?
More than zero, which is too many for my taste.
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Dear Google,
Literally no one wants this.
Nope. Plenty of people want this.
In the last few years I've seen plenty of cases where CS undergrad students get stumped if ChatGPT is unable to debug/explain a question to them. I've literally heard "idk because ChatGPT can't explain this lisp code" as an excuse during office hours.
Before LLMs, there were also a significant amount of people who used GitHub issues/discord to ask simple application usage questions instead of Googling. There seems to be a significant decrease of people's willingness to search for an answer regardless of AI tools existing.
I wonder if it has to do with weaker reading comprehension skills?
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I'm decrepit enough to remember pre-Google web, with competing search engines. Bring back webrings!
sometimes you just gotta ask Jeeves
The fact that Ask Jeeves isn't an AI-only search engine is just beyond me. It was laughable that someone thought to personify a search engine 25 years ago, but now is pretty much the right time for that.
Altavista baby.
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I am no longer feeling lucky
Would this be the same AI that spits out incorrect summarys or just flat out gets data incorrect constantly? What could possibly go wrong by making that the ONLY way to look for things going forward. Fucking morons.
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thinking google is about offering you a quality search at this point is like thinking facebook is about improving your social experience. they both started like that and that's how they hooked people up. but they have their own interests now. those interests revolve around affecting how people act and think. one central thing they need to do to fulfil those interests is controlling what people see and know... and that's very hard to do when this pesky external content generated by other that is hard to control gets into way...
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The future is coming and it sure looks like garbage. I have long since left Google behind.
It’s been a long time I use DuckDuckGo as my default search engine for basic stuff (which let’s be honest, more than 80% is just a simple query to find a certain area of some website, like “Firefox download Windows”, “Discord site status”, “Microsoft office pricing” etc.). If I want to search something more related to my own language or recent events in my county, Google is a must, but that’s like 10% of all my search engine usage. I don’t really need Google to know about the other 90%.
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Sounds cool, can’t wait!
Embrace, extend, extinguish, but now it’s Google doing it to the World Wide Web.
...hmm that's kind of shitty and it uses ten times more energy! Let's go full enshitification!
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Wait, google does searches now too? Wow they have a service for everything.
startpage. you're welcome.
it's also not us owned or based.
Startpage is owned by System1 who are based in LA.
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Stick to SEARCH, not making shit up (euphemistically called "hallucinating").
Hmm, in theory I don't have a problem with an AI telling me the answer to my question or whatever I'm searching for - but this isn't a web search. If I'm actually searching for a particular page or context, then I want to be able to do that.
These are two entirely different things, and if Google goes down this route they aren't a search engine anymore - they are an LLM provider.
Couldn't agree more. I use both tools as they have their place, but when I want a search engine, I don't want to get an AI answer for the result. Like if I'm searching for documentation on something, what benefit would the AI provide me over just giving the link?
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I don't need to care. I stopped using Google search months ago.
Is this for human beings, or is it for Google to show their investors to prove that AI is totally going to revolutionize something eventually?
Screw Google either way, I'm not going to use their search engine either way, but this doesn't feel like a product they are genuinely committed to releasing. Maybe I'm wrong, and in that case, screw them even more.
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searxng
The model uses "advanced reasoning, thinking, and multimodal capabilities"...
Well, LLM's are incapable of actually doing the first two, so we're already off to a great start.
I don't think it's much in the way of hyperbole to say that if they make this the default or worse, only search output option then this will be the thing that literally destroys the company.
No one except idiotic boardroom denizens actually wants this. Google failing to provide actual search results is the singular one and only thing that could actually get users to switch away from using it -- and not do that thing where they just grumble and bitch and moan but keep using it anyway. And if no one is searching on Google then nobody is seeing ads on Google, which means Google will not be selling ads.
I will laugh so hard if this happens.
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Ok, but why should I go to Google for ai answers when I can get the same from openai, other models or even local installations without all the ads?
Unfortunately this isn’t about you, but the 90% of people who don’t understand what AI is at all and don’t give a shit where the responses come from as long as “scorpio dream meaning high school teacher truck” and “can you gregnant with cousin?” Give them answers they like
/s to an extent, but here we are
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Been using Ecosia for months now. DuckDuckGo and Startpage before that. I'm pretty happy with Ecosia search results, can't complain.
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