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Arch is aimed at people who know their shit so they can build their own distro based on how they imagine their distro to be. It is not a good distro for beginners and non power users, no matter how often you try to make your own repository, and how many GUI installers you make for it. There's a good reason why there is no GUI installer in arch (aside from being able to load it into ram). That being that to use Arch, you need to have a basic understanding of the terminal. It is in no way hard to boot arch and type in archinstall. However, if you don't even know how to do that, your experience in whatever distro, no matter how arch based it is or not, will only last until you have a dependency error or some utter and total Arch bullshit® happens on your system and you have to run to the forums because you don't understand how a wiki works.

You want a bleeding edge distro? Use goddamn Opensuse Tumbleweed for all I care, it is on par with arch, and it has none of the arch stuff.

You have this one package that is only available on arch repos? Use goddamn flatpak and stop crying about flatpak being bloated, you probably don't even know what bloat means if you can't set up arch. And no, it dosent run worse. Those 0,0001 seconds don't matter.

You really want arch so you can be cool? Read the goddamn 50 page install guide and set it up, then we'll talk about those arch forks.

(Also, most arch forks that don't use arch repos break the aur, so you don't even have the one thing you want from arch)

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[–] downhomechunk@midwest.social 2 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Arch users are the sanctimonious vegans of the linux world. Bacon is delicious, and you are not special.

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[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I never see Fedora recommended enough, but it's really good for beginners. And by that I mean people new to computers, not just Linux. GNOME is a good looking by default, intuitive to use, simple DE.

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[–] MrMobius@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The install guide is not 50 pages-long, common!

[–] seh@lemdro.id 2 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

the arch experience is weirdly weird honestly. arch is not hard to use, the wiki documentations are pretty extensive. but still there are people who dont even know how to use a wiki. what people needs to do is not learn how to use arch, but learn how to change their perspective on arch instead

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[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)
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[–] DaveX64@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago

EndeavourOS is the best 💪

[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

But but but SteamOS!

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

To me, every distro that seriously requires you to read through all changelogs before updating is BS, and it doesn't solve a basic problem. No one in their sane mind will do this, and the system will break.

That's why, while I respect the upstream Arch, I'd say you should be insane for running it and trying to make things stable, and mocking people for not reading the changelogs is missing the point entirely. Even the best of us failed.

Arch is entirely about "move fast and break stuff".

[–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

Is there anyone here remember Gentoo and the merge/split /usr period?

Gentoo developers are kind and super helpful that they put out any important notice after you pull upgrades to your system. Run eselect news read to know what the breaking change is going to be, and carefully perform the required actions one by one. It's a great distro made by great fellas.

I don't mind there is breaking change at all. I do mind that you don't tell me about it.

[–] False@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I subscribe to the arch news letter, and they email me about potentially breaking changes like 4 times a year. Usually I don't have to do anything about them but it's good to be aware of, just in case.

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[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I do not recommend Arch to new users but I really wish people would have a point supported by evidence when they post.

There is no 50 page manual to install EndeeavourOS or CachyOS, the two distros mentioned in the graphic. Both are as easy to point and click install as Fedora and maybe easier than Debian. The better hardware support makes the install much more likely to succeed. They both have graphical installers and lead you by the hand. In fact, when it comes to EOS, its entire identify is making Arch easy to install and to provide sensible defaults so that everything works out of the box. And of the 80,000 packages in Arch/AUR, less than 20 of them are unique to EOS (mostly theming).

There are lots of things to complain about regarding Arch related distros. Or maybe there isn’t if we have to lie about them.

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