So, a half remembered Radiolab episode or maybe it was 99% Invisible talked about this. If I remember rightly they did consider changing it because it was so much quicker and easier typing in English and Chinese character set takes up a lot of storage which was a big deal in early computers. Until someone figured they could break down all the Chinese characters into a much smaller selection of base shapes. So you could make a character by pressing a small selection of keys. So it meant a much more manageable keyboard. I think it's even resulted in quick Chinese typists being faster than English ones.
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Maybe that’s what I was thinking of. The title is Wubi but I couldn’t remember the show.
Pinyin. They also have fancy keyboards with only 9 buttons and predictive text.
I've seen Chinese and Japanese people spell out the sound with an English keyboard and then select the character that they want from a dropdown like menu.
In Korean (and I think some Chinese/Japanese keyboards) you can "build" the character, from building blocks like this
So if I want to use the "character" for "house", I first click the symbol ㅈ then I click ㅣ for 지 then ㅂ for 집 and it puts it together.
I can slightly tweak the shape by tapping the base symbol multiple times (i.e if I have ㅜ and tap ㆍ it makes ㅠ), which can be combined with more symbols like ㅇ and ㄱ to make 육 (the number 6)
Japanese is kind of similar. Although usually native speakers do not use an English keyboard. They use this:
Since Japanese has 5 vowels, each key here represents a consonant and can actually enter any of the 5 vowels by either tapping on it or flicking up, down, left or right on it. Once you've built the word you're trying to write, you can tap on the auto suggested kanji or katakana or leave it as is in hiragana.
The exception is the bottom left and right keys which are for alternative consonants (I'm not sure the actual linguistic term) and punctuation which have fewer options but work similarly.
So if I'm writing the character for home, I'd flick the button toy he right of the emoji button left for い and then right for え. Once I have both hiragana characters, I just need to tap on the 家 character that appears above the keyboard.
Reminds me of whatever this is
There are a handful of methods of input pinyin is taught in China and Zhuyin is taught in Taiwan.
Pinyin is romanized and much easier to learn in my opinion but mashes similar sounds together in a confusing way that isn’t obvious. Zhuyin uses a Chinese derives writing system and is more accurate towards how it’s pronounced but a little more difficult to learn especially for foreigners.
There’s a good podcast episode, maybe overheard at National Geographic on the wubi method and why the creator thinks it’s the best. Essentially pre-pinyin this genius guy came up with another method of input that even today is the fasted way to input Chinese but not as easy to learn as pinyin. Pinyin also carries over some ideological baggage as China wants everyone to learn the same first language at least so the main method of learning and input is pinyin. This is annoying for dialect speakers who have to type pinyin even when the pronunciation is off like Sichuanese or not even the same language like Cantonese.
Personally pinyin is a genius system that makes the language very easy but it can also be too much of a crutch for foreigners.
Isn't Pinyin a romanisation method, i.e. writing Chinese using the Latin alphabet instead of Chinese glyphs?
Now that they type out characters phonetically, a lot of people don't remember Chinese characters any more, even though they can still mostly read them, which is starting to be a new problem over there.
There is over 20k characters and most people know or use like 2 or 3k of them. Educated Chinese know like 6k on average. And it seems every decade the number goes down.
Curious what it's evolving into.
I know we're on "no stupid questions" but this feels dangerously close to a stupid question. If you had just googled "Chinese keyboard" instead of typing this whole post out you would have gotten your answer right away.
They assign ~3 characters per key and press a modifier key like shift to switch between them as needed.
I don't use Google. I deGoogled my life. Besides, if we just used Google for everything there would be no point communicating at all and thus no point in Lemmy. We could all just ask the Master Google questions, chat with it's AI and stay locked in our bedrooms eating pizza sponsored by Google.
Google. Duckduckgo. Bing. Fuckin ask Jeeves. The point was this was the type of thing that could have been research on your own in like 15 seconds.
And the point is that I'd rather talk to a human.
Just tried it on Ask Jeeves as you suggested. It wasn't very helpful:
We also get to discuss it as well
Which method are you talking about lol
Method? Idk my roommate for like 6 years was Chinese and he had a keyboard that he could switch between American English and Chinese. He showed me how it worked and the key caps all had a few Chinese symbols next to each English letter and he could cycle between them as needed. He wasn't as fast typing in Chinese, but it was the only way for him to communicate with certain family as they couldn't speak or read English at all.
When his mom visited her laptop also had a similar set up except on hers the English letters were smaller and the. Chinese symbols were bigger. I assume because she bought it in China or something.
See, now I've learned something that I wouldn't get from Google.