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but the decision could fall to Trump, who has opposed banning TikTok.
I firmly believe he only ever said that to get elected. Trump is the one who called for the ban in the first place, and he's already shown that he won't be following through on the campaign promises he doesn't actually care about.
Iirc he had a meeting with some investor in TikTok and after that meeting his tune completely flipped.
Members of his previous administration complained about his tendency to just kind of agree with the last person who spoke to him on a given topic / day. I assume it's mostly due to his love of (need for) flattery - he comes out of each meeting feeling great and wanting to endorse whatever that person was saying.
LOL, perfect reference. Hope that's not where I got the idea haha.
But damn, ya know what, I need to watch this whole entire show again, it was fucking AWESOME. Avasarala herself (not in this clip of course) is dope enough to merit a re-watch, and there are so many cool characters and excellent performances, the writing is great, the universe is great, fuck. I'm not even a TV or really movie watcher.
I thought that I read somewhere that TikTok helped Trump during this election and that is why he wanted to reverse the ban.
Don't Republicans hate TikTok? I'm confused.
Just the ones that expose their corruption to millions. I'm pretty sure one or two wants to buy it specifically to ban that sort of thing
There are legitimate security concerns in having large numbers of your citizens using a platform that directly controls algorithms to show specific content, run by a foreign company known to have direct government control, force them to do what they want. TikTok may deny it, but Chinese law allows the government to essentially force them to do whatever they want. And yes, that includes the US and other countries as well, this is not a US or China thing, it's a general foreign narrative control issue.
Nothing prevents the Chinese government from forcing TikTok to adjust their algorithm to promote whatever points of view they want and suppress others. Many other countries do the same with their own companies, whether overtly or not, but a foreign government that is known to do what they want, regardless of any agreements, treaties, etc. having the ability to directly control what your citizens see is a massive security risk.
Is a full ban the right approach? The US doesn't really have any way to force TikTok to ignore Chinese government demands, it is a Chinese company after all. The only way to force compliance, is not allowing them to operate in the US as the alternative, and the company can choose to either do what the US government wants, or abandon the market. It seems that's the stage the politicians have decided we're at, and TikTok hasn't made changes to accommodate US requirements to operate here anymore.
It seems to me that simply exposing the possibility of Chinese interference to the public should be sufficient. Once the public is aware, then every individual's personal, informed decision to use or not use TikTok is a protected form of political expression.
I expect that most Americans who use TikTok would choose to keep using it, but that's an option that freedom of expression gives them. They have a right to consume Chinese propaganda if that's what they want, in the same way that they have a right to listen to any speaker or read any book that they want to.
And thus we get to the fundamental issue behind all of the bullshit. Where do we draw the line to try and balance individual freedom and national security?
Trump has clearly been a Russian asset since at least the 1980s, yet the American people have elected him President. Twice. You trust the general public to make a determination about social media apps intentionally infusing themselves into the culture and are being leveraged by their government to undermine our country from the inside by managing content and spread?
I've worked with the public for 20+ years daily in various customer-facing jobs, and I barely trust the average person to just continue breathing, and that's an involuntary body function requiring no thought. I definitely don't trust the average person to be capable of an educated analysis of their content consumption and possible negative influence. Not that I trust the government much either, but at least there's some people in the machine that actually know what the fuck they're doing and talking about to try and steer the ship in the right direction.
To not have to ever hear or see that stupid tiktok logo again would be nice. Too bad it's not a global ban.
To be real: it would better if it's use just declined until it went away.
I'd love to have a social media platform without Americans. I'm hoping on TikTok if the US bans it
You would WANT to use that shit? It is awful. Curious why you feel the need to have any social media at all? I get setting up private groups, chats, etc on your own hardware. But corporate made algorithm driven and profit centered applications out of your control seem like a horrible idea. And it turns out they are.
There are some echo chambers on here too, it's almost impossible to escape echo chambers.
I feel the best it to see all of them and form your own opinions
It isnt the echo chambers, I get that. But it is the "social media" part. I have no desire to put anything personal on the internet, and don't find anyone else's shit all that interesting either. That is the part I have no use for, at least on someone elses device, public, and corporate.
Not everyone thinks that way. I'm somewhere in the middle.
While I like setting up my own servers and having private groups etc.
I also find some main stream social media entertaining. I'd prefer if everyone switches to decentralised social media, but yea that'll take time.
Quick, everyone jump over to one of the other massive data-harvesting short-form content apps with ties to the US government. You like freedom and Hummers parked inside the mall, right youths?
They should just sell it. There would be plenty of bidders. Any company would if they were not controlled by an outside entity.
That assumes the main reason it exists (in the US) is to be the platform it is.
An alternative is that it's meant to be a way for the Chinese government to control the content and thus any narrative they want US citizens to see and interact with. If that's their actual goal, then selling it and losing control doesn't do anything for them.
I would trust you, but after what you did to the forerunners I just can’t.
And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example.
That doesn’t happen for 528 years. I have my eye on you until then
They can't sell it, the CCP won't let them.
I wonder if this is just going to push people to switch to android where they can sideload tiktok or have users push apple to enable sideloading.
My birthday?
January 19th
Finally, a good birthday present.
Why do you hate TikTok? It’s a legit source of information and news.
lol, right. Haha.
I get it now why other sites say this one is full of pretentious pricks.
That legit information and news could be somewhere else that isnt controlled by the Chinese state media.
And yes I am implying a US controlled social media platform would be better than a Chinese one for America. It's still bullshit, but it's not another country's propaganda. We can sort out our own propaganda.
How is this to be enforced?
The apps would be delisted from all App stores and then tiktok said the would have to shut down the US Servers.
Is the app itself illegal? Is there a fine to having it installed?
Tictok can still run servers outside the country...
Connecting to those servers would be blocked. Much like how the great firewall prevents most in/out connections.
It's exists, Americans just can't get in and their people can't get out without workarounds and a little government dissident behavior.
Actually... I've been doing some digging and that doesn't sound like it's the case. I think it just makes it illegal to host the services in the us and provide the application from us services like app stores..
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text
(1) PROHIBITION OF FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS.—It shall be unlawful for an entity to distribute, maintain, or update (or enable the distribution, maintenance, or updating of) a foreign adversary controlled application by carrying out, within the land or maritime borders of the United States, any of the following:
(A) Providing services to distribute, maintain, or update such foreign adversary controlled application (including any source code of such application) by means of a marketplace (including an online mobile application store) through which users within the land or maritime borders of the United States may access, maintain, or update such application.
(B) Providing internet hosting services to enable the distribution, maintenance, or updating of such foreign adversary controlled application for users within the land or maritime borders of the United States.
No there would be no blocking the would just shut it down but the could sanction any company that violates the ban that's about it for enforcement. But a VPN to another country would bypass it but it would not be US version of tiktok.