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It appears that in every thread about this event there is someone calling everyone else in the thread sick and twisted for not proclaiming that all lives are sacred and being for the death of one individual.

It really is a real life trolley problem because those individuals are not seeing the deaths caused by the insurance industry and not realizing that sitting back and doing nothing (i.e. not pulling the lever on the train track switch) doesn't save lives...people are going to continue to die if nothing is done.

Taking a moral high ground and stating that all lives matter is still going to costs lives and instead of it being a few CEOs it will be thousands.

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[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 7 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

not a terrible point really, but it's also important to remember how quickly "kill bad guy to save many good guy" can turn into some government just labeling anyone who disagrees with them a bad guy and killing them, or can turn into anarchy. either way preventing murder from taking place, however justified, is an important part of what keeps society from collapsing.

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[–] cliffracerflyyy@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

Imagine thinking there's a "right" answer to the Trolley Problem.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago

Anyways, I started blasting.

[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

This isn't a trolley problem. Killing CEOs is not going to save any more lives or "fix the system" in any way.

There's no guarantee that the new CEO will be better or worse, and if they feel threatened enough they'll just hire security.

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[–] K3zi4@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This isn't technically the trolly problem, sorry to be pedantic. But the trolly problem is not in the deaths either track would cause, but in the decision to actively pull the lever and make yourself responsible for the outcome. Inaction means allowing what will be to be.

Eg, if the train is heading towards three people, and you can pull the lever to send it towards one, congratulations, you saved two lives. BUT you just made yourself responsible for the murder of one. Whereas before, you would not have been responsible for the death of the three.

Doesn't matter how dressed up the problem is, involvement means making yourself responsible for murder.

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[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They’re being manipulated. I lost my dad to these fucking ghouls. I texted my mom a message making fun of this dude getting shot and my mom took the side of the CEO and said I’m terrible for wishing death on someone.

He is one of many in the system who killed father and my moms defending him? All she does all day is watch liberal mainstream media who are all slobbing his knob about how this is a tragedy. She’s toast, she’s totally brainwashed by them.

[–] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

There's no brainwashing, obviously the mainstream opinion would be that killing someone is bad, regardless of why.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Hence, the concept of jury nullification

[–] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

Given the ratio of laughing emojis on the company's Facebook post about the incident, I'm not sure that's mainstream opinion at all.

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