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Female Disc Golf Professionals Protest Ryan Lawsuit (6/29/23) (beehaw.org)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Zepfanman@beehaw.org to c/politics@beehaw.org
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HELP COMPLETE THIS LIST OF PLAYERS.

The Preserve Championship in Minnesota was one of the few #DGPT events that #NatalieRyan was allowed to compete in this year. "ICONS - Independent Council on Women's Sports" sponsored this protest, and I'm curious about their financials/support base.

I haven't seen anyone post a list of ICONS-supporters, so maybe we could get one going here. As a disc golf fan, I think it's important to know where specific golfers stand on this issue.

The video linked here was led primarily by Cat and Sarah. Other than the timestamped names below, here's who I've spotted: FRONT ROW: Lisa Fajkus, Vanessa Van Dyken, Stacie (Hass) Kiefer OTHERS: Stacie Rawnsley, Nathan Queen?, Gannon Buhr, Garrett Gurthie, Nikko, Ezra Aderholt?, Robert Burridge, Austin Hannum

Previously signed "Declaration" on May 8th: Emily Beach, Deann Carey, Ruby Reyes, Evelina Salonen, Henna Bloomroos, Sarah Gilpin, Valerie Mandujano https://archive.ph/waVrH (Reddit archive)

0:00 Introduction 0:18 Catrina Allen 5:02 Sarah Hokom 15:06 Jennifer Allen 16:06 Kat Mertsch 17:18 Sami Keddington 18:26 Rebecca Cox 19:49 Jessica Weese 20:27 Kona (Panis) Montgomery 21:25 Catrina Allen 22:40 Sarah Hokom

#TransAthletes #TransRights #DiscGolf

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[–] george@midwest.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Out of the loop: what’s going on with female disc golfers?

[–] Daqu@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What I could find out: Natalie Ryan is transsexual and won many female disc golf events. Then she was banned from competing as a woman, went to court and they decided she could compete. Then the events were cancelled.

I also read some comments that said she was not a nice person at all.

The women in OPs video think it's not fair to compete against someone who went through male puberty.

[–] circularfish@beehaw.org 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Maybe I don’t understand disc golf, but isn’t this more of a technique sport? Seems like the ‘male puberty’ type arguments are a red herring here, even if you were to credit them in other contexts.

[–] fades@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Absolutely? I’ve played disc golf in the far past and we played with women and men, there was no big offset in ability. You don’t need strength, you need the right disk and the right type of throw

Male puberty is just bigots seeing an opportunity to be bigots, trans issues is a hot topic for that exact reason

[–] majkeli@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Disc golf is also power sport. Drive distance is a big factor.

[–] fades@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which you can achieve with the right type of throw with the right type of disc.

Male puberty is not making the major difference here

[–] Silverseren@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, it's not like they don't make the exact same argument even if the trans woman in question didn't go through a male puberty and was on blockers and then hormones from their teenage years. All that does is force them to move the goalposts on their anti-trans arguments.

[–] Zepfanman@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

The other hypocricy about "moving goal posts" is that they allow trans women to compete for money in all other disc golf events, but just not the "Pro Tour" majors.

[–] ag_roberston_author@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's definitely both power and technique.

My partner and I both play regularly and on a lot of holes there is just no chance for her to throw as far as me based on power output.

That being said, I thought it had been proven that there was no real physical advantage for trans women after they have been on HRT for a while, and that most of the outcry is transphobia.

[–] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know the degree to which that's been proven. I've seen some misleading articles and posts whose content mentions one specific aspect where there was no advantage and frame it as there being no advantage across the board.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331831/ paints a different picture. Muscle mass and blood efficiency were lower in adults with reduced testosterone, but if the individual continued exercising their muscle mass was still higher than cis women, and other aspects like skeletal structure were unaffected by adult testosterone levels.

[–] Notbhavn@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I wonder why the PDGA didn’t release the survey it sent to all of its members concerning their stance on this issue?

[–] Zepfanman@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Oops, I didn't realize posts were EITHER link or picture. Here's the referenced-video https://piped.video/watch?v=ychaIXG8VaY

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