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[–] anachronist@midwest.social 4 points 11 hours ago

Kamala prefers war criminals to leftists.

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah… I would follow the money. Their website doesn’t appear to disclose anything about their funding. https://votersoftomorrow.org/about-us/

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Based solely on appearances most of the people listed on that page are millennials or older lmao

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, you can advocate for a group you aren't a part of. I advocate for LGBTQIA rights and I'm none of those.

That's not an inherent red flag.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 7 points 22 hours ago

Their website is full of language implying it is about Gen Zers standing up for themselves. Lots of We's and US's.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

No advocacy group against First Past The Post voting? Isn't the biggest concern with Jill stein running is that she is "going to steal votes from the democrats"? Attack the problem at its source, the FPTP voting system.

When we get to use a more representative voting system, people would be free to vote for Jill stein; secure in the knowledge that their vote would still be cast against the republicans if she didn't win.

Don't the democrats want to beat the Republicans in any way they can? Why is the DNC saying no to these extra votes? Don't democrats believe in democracy? Who could possibly say no to more democracy?

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Democrats have no interest in democracy or anything that weakens their corporate power, like rcv/star/democratic voting methods.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that's true of all Democrats. Have there not been progressives pushing for alternative voting methods?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Almost entirely signal boosted as proof of a carrot that both will most likely never arrive, and most likely won't change anything even if it did arrive. There's a large difference between individuals pushing for something and them actually managing to get them passed at a scale that matters.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

okay but it’s been passed in plenty of your states and that hasn’t been without democrat party support

you don’t just change the system overnight - change like that can take a lifetime, and it starts with signalling to move the overton window

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

okay but it’s been passed in plenty of your states and that hasn’t been without democrat party support

Very few states, actually, and it passed in Alaska in a Republican state. Overall, it has weak momentum.

you don’t just change the system overnight - change like that can take a lifetime, and it starts with signalling to move the overton window

How do you signal to "move the overton window?" Prayer?

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

the overton window aka “the window of discourse” is literally about talking, and making things more acceptable by their existence in the public consciousness

the more people TALK about alternative voting mechanisms, the more likely it is for some change to occur… 1 person can’t just up and change the system overnight, but by “signalling” as you’ve dismissively called it, it makes it more likely that other people talk about it and that makes it more likely that it becomes policy

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

How do you signal to "move the overton window?" Prayer?

If only there was some kind of smaller election before the general election where we get to vote on who represents the Democratic party...

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If only we could vote on leftist candidates in the primary for the DNC, as though it isn't a grand filter before anyone even gets to run...

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Is there a sitting member of the Democratic party that you would consider a "leftist" or one that holds leftist values?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago

Depends on what you mean by "leftist values." The closest is probably Rashida Tlaib, but in general "The Squad" consists of Social Democrats, which I would consider Center-Right.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

Of course I am an Adult Gen Z. I am certainly NOT 3 shriveled boomers in a trench coat.

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

Their org page has all the trappings of a typical Dem "think tank" / trough feeder org. Looking to get in in that sweet graft.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 23 hours ago

That's why I'm voting PSL 😏

[–] macabrett@lemmy.ml 6 points 13 hours ago

Driven by a woeful misunderstanding of what went wrong in both 2016 and 2000.

[–] Retreaux@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago

Smart move regardless