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[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 60 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Definitely something we should be looking to fine or tax.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Severe fines or taxes. Severe.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

For a business? The potential should be there.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 3 weeks ago

Let’s dunk their head in the c02 exhaust.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah cuz that works sp much better than offering incentives to lower emissions.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They are functionally the same.

That said, a tax or fine would be easier to implement.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fines and taxes are incentives. Companies will do whatever's cheapest, so you can make the good thing cheaper, or the bad thing more expensive. Both will have a similar effect, it's just a question of where the margins are.
If a company is selling something at-cost and gets taxed, then they'll have to raise prices for the consumer, but if they're getting a stimulus from the government it gets covered by tax payers. Which one ends up being the right choice depends on the product and company in question.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember everyone, “Natural Gas” is just methane.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 3 weeks ago

Mostly. Natural gas is approximately 80% methane, with some other hydrocarbons thrown into the mix.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Ooooh, now do the US. My tax dollars are funding it after all. I demand to publish in regular public reports and periodicals who is on the naughty list. Send to the appropriate agency for enforcement.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They have already and they are some more. They're doing the globe and the article says what they found over parts of Texas. By your upvotes, you and 17 other people didn't bother to read the article.

[–] TheBenCommandments@infosec.pub 2 points 3 weeks ago

They're doing the whole planet and already have an interactive map available. FTA: https://data.carbonmapper.org/

[–] tleb@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago

It'll be interesting to see what China's true emissions are, as opposed to their reported number, given how they just lie about every metric (covid deaths, poverty, etc)

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Well I don't see Pakistan doing anything about this, but will be happier to see if we identify other bigger offenders that will be taking steps to fix problems.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Its possible that Pakistan didn't know how big it was. Not that I think they'd be altruistic about it now, but if its large enough it is a source of energy. Columbus Ohio taps the city landfill for methane extraction and uses it to fuel city busses and dump trucks. There's even a surplus after that and that is sold at a profit to the city to local natural gas customers for heating etc. source

"Last year alone, landfill gas sold to Archaea Energy generated more than $3.5 million in revenue for SWACO [Solid Waste Authority of Central Ohio], where it becomes a renewable energy source for Central Ohioans."

It looks like Pakistan is a large methane importer: "Imports In 2022, Pakistan imported $4.58B in Petroleum Gas, becoming the 27th largest importer of Petroleum Gas in the world."

source

If this landfill produces enough methane it would be worth it to tap it as an income/consumption stream by the local population. This satellite data may provide the number to show it would be worth doing this.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

You e got a million dollar business idea right there. Run with it.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I've heard of places doing solar panels above landfills as well. So if you tap it for methane, and then put panels over it, you can get even more energy out of the space.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably not Pakistan but the Permian Basin in Texas also has a big methane emission.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That is in fact listed in the article.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

Correct which is why I mentioned it.

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Finally, since the first one blew up many years ago.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io -2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Can it tell if I fart in public? Asking for a friend.

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago

It better not. I'll get arrested.

[–] 200ok@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago

I care more if it can tell when I fart in my own home