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The mastodon and lemmy content I’m seeing feels like 90% of it comes from people who are:

  • ~30 years old or older

  • tech enthusiasts/workers

  • linux users

There’s nothing wrong with that particular demographic or anything, but it doesn’t feel like a win to me if the entire fediverse is just one big monoculture.

I wonder what it is that is keeping more diverse users away? Is picking a server/federation too complicated? Or is it that they don’t see any content that they like?

Thoughts?

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[–] pfannkuchen_gesicht@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

Hah, I fit the description perfectly. Not too sure how to take that. ☹️

[–] somedaysoon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I'm all 3 of these, and that's likely why I felt so comfortable joining and have had an easy transition. I want more diversity here, diversity is the spice of live, it gives you new ways to look at things, and spurs creativity. But I don't want it to become overwhelmingly popular like reddit was. I believe there is a point when a site becomes too mainstream, and overrun by... okay, I hate to use this word, but normies. I feel like I haven't enjoyed reddit for the last 10 years because of it becoming so popular in that way. And with reddit, I would have to dig down deeper and deeper into less popular, more niche, subreddits to get away from it. I suppose if that happens here, I can do the same, and even join smaller instances as an additional solution.

The fediverse is more complicated, it's not as easy to comprehend how the entire federese works and interconnects. That might dissuade some users from joining. But in my opinion, it feels like a good litmus test to me.

tl;dr - I'm an elitist fuck that wants more diversity but without being overrun by dumb people

[–] ichigo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I feel it's complicated for the non-tech users but interestingly I have started to see some folks coming to Lemmy because I (a tech friend) started using it and advertising to them. I think it's these early adopters who play a major role in bringing the non-tech folks and people from other diverse culture.

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[–] AVeryCleverName@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I spent most of my time on Reddit in the learn programming subs, so I'm glad at least that demographic has moved here. I'm almost 34, don't work in tech but want to, don't use Linux but want to (and if the rumors of windows adding ads to the OS are true I will switch to Linux full time except for gaming). I wasn't really that invested in the reddit API changes but I liked reddit when it was more under ground and wild west. I used to spend a lot of time on rcsources (those days are behind me regardless, though). So I wanted to see if there was still room on the internet for the outlaw tech cowboy shtick, and Lemmy stepped up to the plate.

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[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

You just described the demographics of the average early tech adopter.

Old enough to understand the importance of privacy and to care about the federation aspect of the fediverse, tech savvy and nerdy enough to not be discouraged by an unfamiliar interface and still developing environment. And apparently we like Linux too.

[–] Magiwarriorx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Only 1 for 3 there myself, but I get the point.

One thing I have noticed is a big chunk of the memes posted earlier in June were very dated, ~2010-era Facebook style. Made me wonder if the crowd on here didn't at least initially skew older.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I don't mind a monoculture if it keeps morons away, that's a price worth paying. The reason I started using Reddit in 2009 was to escape the comment section of YouTube. Erik from Internet Comment Etiquette has been doing sterling work educating the Mongol Hoardes but they're still not ready.

[–] dr_doomscroller@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

sure. but i also can't help but feel like when history looks back on the fediverse it's more likely to be in the geocities and anglefire category than some seismic shift in social media.

I hope for the later, but realistically feel it will be the former.

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[–] EGirlEnthusiast@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm a 20 year old. I may be the only one in this thread unable to drink legally lol

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[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Picking a server is complicated... And I still don't get how to get content from other servers into my main feed.

But the other thing is monitization. If you build up a decent filling on TikTock for example, they pay you. My kids friends are all chasing that.

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[–] GRiMtox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't use Linux, but other than that...

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[–] mycroft@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

"You must be new here"

We're always the first adopters.

[–] jflorez@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

This is me 46 *nix user, nerd

[–] LordAdamH@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I kind of for the description so I certainly can't argue with you.

I think a big part of the reason you're so spot on is because of the timing. Painting with broad strokes here, but the group you mentioned is kind of the group you need for something like Lemmy to be built in the first place. And I fully appreciate Lemmy had been around for awhile now, but let's be honest, it's only recently become 'popular' thanks to u/spez.

I hope the username will expand as more people find out about Lemmy. I think with that will come feature changes (more likle9in the form of third party apps) as a more diverse group of people start using Lemmy.

[–] someacnt@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

Did you see the linux memes comments? It's full of windows users who are infuriating me.

[–] Stach@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hasnt internet started like that?

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[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I (37M) am a broadcast TV tech director so I guess that puts me in the "techbro" world, however, I wouldn't consider myself an "early adopter." I'd say really I'm just tired of corporate social media and all the algorithms and BS. And I'm not alone.

Why am I on Mastodon and Lemmy:

I was looking for something genuinely different, something human focused, something better. Hopefully the Fediverse can be that and hold the line against the likes of Meta. I've gotten four people in my close friends circle to give Fedi a try on three different platforms, all within the last two weeks.

My solution here:

We can't expect hobbyist server hosts, pro bono web devs, and volunteer modmins to pay to advertise this place. Memories of the marketing classes I was forced to take in college are screaming at me right now that what we need to do is begin an honest to goodness word-of-mouth campaign for the whole of the Fediverse... and by that I don't mean "posting aggressively" about it on Facebook, Reddit, Threads, TikTok, Tumblr, Twitter, BlueSky, etc, etc.

Scary as it may be to some of us "techbros," we need to go touch some grass and actually talk to people in the real world. "Word of mouth" means face to face, in person, and it's possibly the most powerful advertising tool ever devised. I'd genuinely advise taking a cue from fundy Christians... evangelize... talk to your friends, your family, your co-workers about what you like about the Fediverse and what they might like. Listen to their problems with Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Tumblr, TikTok, etc... offer a possible solution that they could give a try. Obviously, don't be pushy or a dick but also, if they do take the leap, help them get settled. Help them find a platform they'd like and how to find the communities and users with whom they'd like to interact.

Perhaps there are some onerous barriers to entry to places like this, but there are loads of people out there genuinely looking for better online communities and just better social media in general. This place -it's various platforms and numerous instances- can be that for a load of people, but they won't know about it unless we tell them.

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[–] Smokeydope@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Older tech nerdsn are the pioneers of new and open technologies like fediverse and smolnet, because they are smart enough and care enough about technological principles/philosophies to use them. As the services grow they begin to reach a phase where it attracts reactionary people who are looking actively for alternatives to mainstream services ru n by corporations. This tends to be fanatical people who think capitalism/global economic system bad, or the very vocally queer. Then if it manages to grow even further, say from an exodus of users from a competing service, the normal people finally come and attract more normal people with far more varying discussion interest besides conputer technogy, spewing debates on political/economic ideas, and being gay.

[–] EricHill78@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I am 45 and you can say a tech enthusiast. I've never worked in tech but I have always wanted to but never took that chance. I feel like I'm too old to start now.

[–] joolez@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

If 'getting in' would be more mass compatible we would have a more realistic view about society. That would bei great but the society is of douchebags and this is what mass social media is suffering from in my mind.

[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

Follow #art on mastadon and you see how active that community is.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe I'm am outlier but I'm 21 and here.

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